re: Bleeding edge and far from it

Steve Dispensa — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:42:55 GMT

I think DTM is based on the internal Microsoft WTT (windows test tools?), minus some stuff like integration with their bug database and such.

If memory serves from the MVP summit, there is a group on the testing side that put the testing framework together, along with the device simulation framework. Both look interesting, but I certainly don't have time to mess with COM.

re: Bleeding edge and far from it

Thomas F. Divine — Mon, 21 May 2007 15:11:22 GMT

Sorry I missed WinHEC and a chance to see you. :-( I agree with you that some recent MS tools for driver developers seem from another world altogether. Apparently the Windows Driver Testing Framework falls into the category. I believe that the Windows Driver Testing Framework is the foundation of the DTM, and I can certainly say from several months of misery and frustration with DTM that it is not a solid foundation. If a test failed with the legacy HCT a developer knew the it was likely that his or her driver was faulty. If a test fails with the DTM it is _possible_ that the driver is faulty, but also likely that the DTM framework or the DTM test being performed has a bug. The "KISS" principle ("Keep it simple, stupid!") is a key cornerstone of driver development and testing. Some folks at Redmond are loosing sight of this.