Fact Checking Charles M Carroll

Published Thu, Oct 25 2007 10:57 | William

I write this with pause, not for fear of getting kicked out of the MVP program but because it's a waste of time. A complete Waste of Time.  Exhibit A.  Charles accuses me of posting fake comments on my blog and all sorts of other insane stuff. He goes on and on about how I could just approve or reject comments and so much more and it's amazing how he can be wrong about so many things in such a short amount of space.

To begin with, someone is trying to provoke a fight between me and Charles.  He knows this and I  know this.  We've talked about it more than once.  Out of the blue, he decided to take the bait and proceeded to flame me.  Someone is laughing right now b/c they got exactly what they wanted.  The fact there were many comments on my blog puporting to be his but weren't is not any indication that I approved of such things or that I approved the comments.  I didn't.  How many times have I mentioned that I don't moderate comments? I don't have time to even if I wanted to.  When  I caught stuff, I dealt with it.  All along, Charles and I have been in contact when questions came up and things were civil.  Now, out of the blue, he decided not to contact me and just go on the attack.  Had he mentioned it to me, i would have found time to edit the comments or delete them, whichever he preferred, just like I did every other time this happened. He has no reason to think otherwise and we have some mutual friends that certainly can vouch for the fact that I would do whatever I could to help Charles here.

Let's set a few things straight...

Falacy #1:  "The MVP program has a few bad eggs that ruin the reputation of the whole program. Bill Ryan came so close to losing his MVP status over publicly attacking me and others in his blogs he does so anonymously now to reduce his risk.And now he teams up with Ryan Olshan tow rite and approve fake comments from me with insults to Suzy, her family and memory, my mother, Doug Nelson, etc."

The MVP program doesn't kick people out. It's an award for prior accomplishment. I guess if you did something really awful they might consider taking it away, but I don't know of a single case of this happening. Charles Carroll and Doug Nelson made up some huge lies and distortions and failed to report a few pertinent facts to Microsoft when they went crying to MS because they didn't like the fact I posted Charles' own words publicly.  Things got out of hand on the comments b/c Charles has left a strong impression on many people in the past. Charles has mentioned repeatedly that he gets people in the MVP program and can get them kicked out.  Neither is the case.  If you read through his post, you'll note that he can't site a single comment that's mine or that he has any reason to believe was written by me.  On the contrary, he's ripping in to me for supposedly approving fake comments by others.  If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to show you the emails between me and Charles and me and a few others that clearly shows that i was concerned about this whole issue and was doing what I could to address it. 

 

Falacy #2:  "Basically Ryan Olshan and Bill Ryan post fake comments pretending to be me and says foul, crude things. Bill Ryan who knows I never post at his blog commenting yet approves the comments and then claims he “can’t stop this amateur hacker” when in reality he just needs to reject rather than approve the comments, and delete the ones he approved in the past before being notified by multiple people I never comment on his blog and certainly don’t write the kind of things he has approved anywhere on the web."

Comment moderation is NOT TURNED ON AND HAS NEVER BEEN ENABLED ON MY BLOG.  PERIOD.  I don't approve anything. I can reject things after the fact but as Charles just has his facts wrong here

----

I unquestionably have someone posting on my blog pretending to be Charles Carroll and others.  Charles contacted me indicating that he wasn't the author. I had suspected this previously and was in contact with a mutual acquaintance regarding it - I was telling Charles he had a problem. I told him that I also received emails which knew stuff that could only be known if someone breached his account.  Here's the email I sent to his friend:

"Again, I hate to keep bugging you with this childish crap.  I got another deluge of comments, from Charles, Doug, Peter, Jeffrey and some Muhammad dude.  IP Addresses are Fairfax VA, Baltimore MD, Plano Tx, Eden's Prarie MN and Foster City, CA.  When I checked the web server logs though, the IPs are different and are from a proxy server in China.  I've been deleting them as I find them, but get this.  I put some filters on my comments.  So the person is posting comments, the same one, repeating it each time but changing the name at each attempt.  I can tell this b/c when I look at the spam filter, I see a series of comments, all of which are the same exact text for any given series but havae the name change.  So they are posting with Charles Carroll, charles M Carroll, Charles Mark Carroll then they got through with Charles M. Carroll.  Then they tried Charles Douche Carroll, Charles "Douche" Carroll, Charles [Douche] Carroll, [Charles] [Mark] [Carroll] and the last one got through.  I can't be positive but it seems like a pretty sure bet that they realize there's a filter and trying to beat it, b/c in each case, whenever they get on to actually get through, that's the last I see of that comment.  I wish I could use Regex's to filter things, but I only have access through the community server panel as it's not my site.  They however have stopped using your name if that's any consolation.  They did try to get through with a few different combinations for Peter and Doug but stopped after 5 attempts.  I didn't have a filter for Jeff or Muhammad b/c I know Jeff and have no earthly idea who Muhammad is"

 

In the past, each time I found a comment, I'd mark it as such. I've implored the impersonator to stop. I've tagged each comment so people could see they were fakes. The problem is, I have a full time job. I have enough trouble keeping my blog up to date without having to worry about comments. All of my Spam and the like is wayyyy backed up b/c I just don't have time to handle this stuff. I say this respectfully but Charles tends to have long stints of unemployment and has a lot more free time than I do, and honestly, my blog just doesn't make the top 50 lists of important things in my life.  Cleaning up comments on it ranks even lower. But please Look for yourselves!

From Me to the Impersonator:

Dear Mr Charles M Carroll Impersonator.  You win ok, I give up.  Seriously, I officially am crying "UNCLE", "NO MAS" you win.  I already have very little time to blog or do anything other than work and keeping my blog clear of SPAM is wayyyy too much of a pain in the butt.  So why add to my misery? What did I ever do to you?  I've already blown up at just about everyone that I suspect is doing this, told the InlineASP folks to take a hike and leave my name out of  the whole goddamned mess and am doing everything I can to just stay the hell out of this mess.  If you're trying to get me to fight with Charles it isn't going to happen.  If you're trying to make Charles look bad, it's backfiring.  If your intent is none of the above and you just have some overwhelming desire to be a pain in my ass, please accept my apology and just leave me alone.

Here's what I did with the comments:

You look so hot on all floors with those ****in your ****. Will you come to my spacious 5 bedroom house in Halethorpe, MD and play the part of Ronnie? Please?

 ---This post is not from Charles Mark Carroll. Instead it's from an impostor who spends a LOT of time on my site posting as Charles

To accuse me of just blowing this off is ridiculous.  I know Charles reads the comments so clearly he's seen these.  But you don't see word 1 of this in his post. So his sonly beef is that I'm not as quick about editing these things as he'd like me to be. 

I can post a lot of documentation PROVING my point here. Proving that I've been trying to help the poor guy. Proving that I'm not blowing this stuff off.  I've edited several comments tagging them with information that someone is pretending to be Charles. I've contacted a friend of his several times to try to help the guy out.

Charles has no bearing on the MVP program. Those comments he's complaining about have nothing to do with the MVP program. He's threatened to get me kicked out several times and nothing has ever come of it.  He's seriously attacking me b/c I don't edit my freaking blog comments fast enough.  Blogging is just too low priority and comment editing - Please.

Hopefully Charles will come to his senses and take down the post. If not, well, Starting with his first email, I'm going to be forced to prove where he's lying - and  that's just about everything.  As angry as I was this morning, I'm willing to chalk this up to a misunderstanding and let bygones be bygones.  it's worked well in the past and it will work again going forward.  But running completely inaccurate attack pieces on me and the MVP program and pointing fingers without any supporting facts is not the way to proceed.

Mr Nelson - I hear crickets - do you think Charles latest attack piece which is absolutely incorrect and dishonest, is it appropriate for a community site?

Comments

# Chris G. Williams said on October 25, 2007 10:50 AM:

Dude, I think you've probably already wasted more effort on this than I would.  If I went back and cleaned up every stupid deranged comment that showed up in my blog, I'd never get anything else done.  

The guy definitely sounds like he has some personal issues with you (and perhaps without you) but as you mentioned, the MVP is an award for previous effort, not a "cert" they can take away.

If he's been making these threats as long as you say, and nothings happened yet... why worry now?

# Chris G. Williams said on October 25, 2007 10:52 AM:

oh and also, since this blogging engine doesnt show the comments immediately, it does give the impression you are moderating, even though I know you aren't.

All you have to do is refresh the page and the comment usually shows up immediately... so obviously you arent sitting around ALL DAY approving comments.

Crap now I'VE wasted too much time here as well...  Thanks buddy.   Thanks a lot.   :)

# Douglas Marsh said on October 25, 2007 10:53 AM:

The facts speak for themselves. Look at the blog and comment archives. You can clearly see where Bill was moderating comments (something he typically never does) to ensure that his readers knew that the comments where not from Charles M Carroll.

However, with the number of impersonated comments that the blog's starting to get, a global statement indicated that any comments on the site are not from Charles M Carroll is about the best you could do.

# William said on October 25, 2007 11:13 AM:

I'm not worried. The thing about Charles is that he needs to feel relevant. He needs to feel important and talk big.  I don't think anyone disputes that. So he keeps lying to himself about what happened with him and Doug Nelson.  Once everyone heard *both* sides of the story, things changed big time.  The fact he got sosmeone at MS to say "Oh, this is awful, we'll talk to him about it" is in his mind validation that he was right.  

I don't mind that he makes crap like that up. Everyone knows he's a wreck and his life has progressively fallen apart more and more.  But the part about Moderation is just plan BS. He gets so self-righteous about everyone else's fact checking it's totally hypocritical for him to post something like that when he's just soo wrong.  As my buddy, you know better than anyone how hard I am to get a hold of and how busy I am.  My blog has huge posting gaps b/c of how busy I am. And yet he expects me to sit around and clean up all my comments. My totals are actually wrong  b/c when we upgraded to CS, we lost a bunch of aggregates. I have so many comments , not to mention spam, it would be a full time job cleaing it all up.  It's just frustrating ;-(

# Ryan Olshan said on October 25, 2007 11:28 AM:

I've been rather quiet about this because it's not worth my time or energy. However, I think he's really snapped this time. Not only is it utterly ridiculous of what he accuses me and Bill of, but he never mentions how he assaulted me in an effort to make him look like the victim in his insane diatribes. This is his way of getting back at me for calling the police and having him arrested for assault and battery and taking him to court where he was convicted of his violent crime against me. His backlash isn’t working and only makes him look like more of a fool. I hope Charles gets the help he desperately needs and stops picking on his victims like this.

# Theo said on October 25, 2007 12:47 PM:

This is simply ridiculous. I've known Bill for years. He is simply not capable of the behaviour Mr. Carroll describes. While sarcastic (in a good, fun way). Bill is also one of the most helpful and giving people in the community. It is simply unrealisitic.

I can understand Mr. Carroll's frustration, but I feel his desires in the area are unreasonable. His best course of action is to simply ignore it. Continuing to react is merely tossing fuel onto an already roaring fire. It is far too easy to impersonate someone on something as generic as a blog comment. Given the ubiquitous nature of these comments, expecting someone to police each and every comment that occurs on their blog is simply ridiculous. As Chris points out, if I deleted every inane "You suck" comment out of my blog, I'd never get any work done.

Bill, it is my opinion that you have done all that can reasonably be expected....and then some. It's a pity it's come to this.

# Cleo said on October 25, 2007 3:40 PM:

Okay Bill, Oprah Winfrey, on a a cold rainy day, right in the middle of her heavy periods, would pick you as a better human being than Charles Carroll.

I have no idea why you even need to defend yourself, especially against Charles Carroll. Seriously, look at CC - is there anywhere he could have be screwed up, and he isn't?

Quit wasting time on this looser, because

a) You don't have enough time,

b) Even if you did, he isn't worth the attention.

Just quit wrestling with this pig carroll. awrite!

# Blogus Maximus said on October 25, 2007 4:02 PM:

There's crazy and then there's CRAAAAAAAAAZY!!

# Kelly said on October 25, 2007 4:41 PM:

As long as i have known Bill Ryan he has been the utmost professional in all he had done. I just don't believe Charles.

The only thing I know about him is that he has harrased Bill's girl. Even in our circles, this is a no no. So you see, to me his credibility is shot already.

# gregor suttie said on October 25, 2007 4:41 PM:

TIME TO GET A GRIP OF YOUR LIVES !!!

# Kelly said on October 25, 2007 4:46 PM:

As long as i have known Bill Ryan he has been the utmost professional in all he had done. I just don't believe Charles.

The only thing I know about him is that he has harrased Bill's girl. Even in our circles, this is a no no. So you see, to me his credibility is shot already.

# William said on October 25, 2007 4:55 PM:

I just came across this from Chris Williams-  geekswithblogs.net/.../116340.aspx   Thanks to Chris and everyone else here for your words of Support. I suspect we'll be hearing from his designated cry baby, Doug Nelson before long but if and when that happens, I promise to post his comments just like the ones supporting me.

# TK said on October 25, 2007 5:01 PM:

Bill brotha you got to ignore this sucker. Hes nuttin up because hes crazy. No job and cant get one, no skills and everything good in his life is a lie.  I follow the crew at InlineASP although i think they treat you a little raw. You C the latest  inlineasp.blogspot.com/.../mission-accomplished.html  they've been trying to provoke a battle for a while and they think they accomp'd it.  Charles is too simple to see hes gettin played.  Think about it man, hes living off some old mans welfare, lying about why he ain't gotta job, lying about all the stuff he has, lying bout his family, lying bout MS, lying bout that Olshan kid, lying  bout you.  Before long hes going to have run out of *** to lie about.  If he had anything going on he wouldnt have to lie all the time . But he dont t got anything so he talks smack and lives in dream land. And let Doug Nelson come over and talk smoe ***   u know we gotch yur back brotha

# TK said on October 25, 2007 5:02 PM:

Bill brotha you got to ignore this sucker. Hes nuttin up because hes crazy. No job and cant get one, no skills and everything good in his life is a lie.  I follow the crew at InlineASP although i think they treat you a little raw. You C the latest  inlineasp.blogspot.com/.../mission-accomplished.html  they've been trying to provoke a battle for a while and they think they accomp'd it.  Charles is too simple to see hes gettin played.  Think about it man, hes living off some old mans welfare, lying about why he ain't gotta job, lying about all the stuff he has, lying bout his family, lying bout MS, lying bout that Olshan kid, lying  bout you.  Before long hes going to have run out of *** to lie about.  If he had anything going on he wouldnt have to lie all the time . But he dont t got anything so he talks smack and lives in dream land. And let Doug Nelson come over and talk smoe ***   u know we gotch yur back brotha

# Andy Lines said on October 25, 2007 9:55 PM:

I agree with everyone else when I say it's easily not worth your time or effort to worry about what he says.  You've put the truth out there and that's the only obligation you have here.

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# C. Amarillo said on October 26, 2007 5:15 PM:

Charles is clearly wrong on his accusations. Everyone who follows Bill's blog knows he doesn't moderate or approve comments. Question: If Charles finds these comments so offensive, why is he repeating them...?

# Ben Holmes said on October 28, 2007 8:04 PM:

Whatev, Bill, this is just lame. You barely even post blogs, how can you have time to moderate comments?You've done nothing wrong, but the impersonator needs to lay off and get a life. S/he is worse than that dude "anonymous" who posts to my blog. Who names their kid "anonymous" anyway? By the way, you misspelled "fallacy."

# William said on October 28, 2007 9:53 PM:

Thanks Ben.  We are pretty sure we know who the imposter is and have taken steps to stop this.  The truth is, I've tried to stop this stuff.  Charles makes the ridiculous claim that I in fact have approved the comments b/c I have no spam - something he clearly hasn't bothered to look at. I have tons of comment spam. Community server only allows you to delete them 10 at a time and I have thosands of them.  I have a ton of spam and I don't moderate my comments - until now anyway. If I really wanted to , if it was a priority to me, I could but I have a lot more going on and in the 4 years I've been blogging, all of the complaints save 2 have come from Charles Mark Carroll or his friends who he put up to complaining.  With all the evil and just disgusting stuff Charles Carroll does, no one needs to fake stuff to make him look worse. Nothing can make him look worse than crap like this blog.charlescarroll.com/chazblog , well, unless you want to include the stuff where he outed his ex for having an abortion, or he made up a lie that she forged her adoption papers.  Having worked with me Ben, can you honestly imagine that Doug Nelson called me on the phone and I spoke with him, with Kim in the room and talked about Charles' harrassing her?  Charles makes all this crap up about Groping - when in fact, his attempted grope was only one of the many things he did and in my opinion, the least of them.  He won't touch all of the stuff he really did.  And he tries to make up this story that Doug Nelson and I chatted on the phone.  Doug Nelson and I never spoke on the phone ever and until this weekend I never even knew who Doug was.  Unless Doug Nelson lied and told Charles he spoke to me on the phone, Charles is just making it up and although I don't know him well enough to be sure, Doug seems like a decent enough guy that I don't see him lying about something like that.  I actually feel kinda bad about it b/c were it not for Charles, I'm sure I"d like Doug Nelson. But Doug clearly saw what Charles posted on his blog, including the lie about him talking to me, and if Doug wants to get his panties in a wad about the stuff I"ve said about Charles but can still give Charles a pass on it, that's hypocrisy that's hard to fathom.

Charles is self destructing. In 7 years he's been unable to hold a job. As many have pointed out, he can't even live without other people's money.  He can't keep a job, has huge employment gaps which he tries to cover by saying he's being selective, he's been arrested for assault, been evicted - as a grown man in the prime of peak earning years that speaks for itself.  I just really hope Charles Carroll keeps his post up. He makes up this crap about me not being able to take the heat - b/c in the past I've had sympathy for him.  My posts aren't coming down.  ANd I hope his don't either. That way potential employers will see who he really is.  It's so sad to think that as much as he blows his own horn, if you search for Charles M Carroll or CHarles Mark Carroll, most of the results are my site or others telling the truth about him.

And if he would have just asked me to take down the comments instead of editing them, I would have. But he had to be a tough guy  and go on the attack.  But no one ever said that he's not good at shooting himself in the foot.

Thanks for the support B5, I appreciate it.

# William said on October 28, 2007 9:56 PM:

C - he's trying to get sympathy.  He also has a problem in that he believes his own lies.  He makes stuff up, leaves up critical details, distorts things, and apparently he gets some psychological benefit from that.  My favorite one this time is the lie about Doug Nelson talking to me on the phone.  I got a tip that one of the ladies that worked with him at Cambridge is going to come forward and talk about some of the stuff he's done there to female co-workers. If Charles Carroll wants to post this stuff - good.  The world will see him in his own words, and increasingly he's going to find it even harder to fool potentional employrs into hiring him.  Never stop and enemy from destroying themselves - if he insists on doing himself in, I"m not going to stop him.

# Your friend in Atlanta said on October 29, 2007 9:10 AM:

Bill - its best that you stop with him. Charles' life is falling apart so fast and as someone else pointed out, is in a freefall.  Read his blog today, he's got several posts about divorce and custody.It's of course for a friend but Charles isn't that nice of a guy to buy that many books and read them all himself for someone else.  Most of the time he hits us up and wants us to buy him Amazon Wishlist books as pennance. Penance with Charles Carroll always involves him hitting you up for something financial. You said it yourself he can't keep a job and its harder and harder for him to find jobs.  His circle of friends is dwindling and InlineASP is comprised almost exclusively of people who were formerly trusted confidants of Charles' inner circle.

He used to be relevant but his ego took over. Now, he's bitterly lamenting his 15 minutes is over and it kills him that people dont care what he thinks any more. The only way for him to matter is by doing negative stuff.  This gave him more traffic than he's generated on his own since his personal blog came into effect. You also point out hes been reduced to lying and making things up.  No one disputes that's a sign of desparation.

So be smart here and let him destroy himself.   When anyone searches for his name, they find critical sites or posts by Charles that will do  him in in any job sitution. Within a few week he'll start lying and talk about great job offers he has on the table, he'll try to counter his unemployment now that all eyes are on it.  Divorce, Arrest, Eviction, losing a job , all of these are things that happened at his own hands.

# DC said on October 29, 2007 12:46 PM:

Kudos for continuing to remain professional and take the high road.  Money to be made - code to be written- no time for comment moderation OR this silliness ...  say the Serenity prayer and move forward *wink*

# William said on October 29, 2007 10:46 PM:

Thanks DC.  Because everyone is asking - I've posted the true story over here msmvps.com/.../the-email-from-charles-mark-carroll-that-started-it-all.aspx  .  For people that know Charles M Carroll, enjoy watching him at his delusional best.

And don't miss his latest lame excuse here blog.charlescarroll.com/chazblog  .

So Doug talked to me and Kim on the phone in his first version, with Kim in the same room as me refusing to talk to Doug. Now that he got called out on it big time, he's saying he might be confused about what doug meant by talking to me.  So somehow Doug talked to me via email and knew Kim was in the room and refused to talk to him - Good god are his excuses pathetic.

# William said on October 30, 2007 12:06 AM:

Just so everyone knows, here's another email that I got from Charles (or someone who was using his account) and my response.  msmvps.com/.../my-email-to-charles-mark-carroll-that-he-won-t-acknowledge.aspx

He said before that he would contact me after posting anything to my blog so I would know it was real and I got this. I'm not saying that this email was why I didn't address his comments, but like I've said all along, editing out comments just isnt' high on my list of priorities.

Now here's his first email to me - does it seem a little inconsistent with his tone? Does he sound like it's a big deal or just a minor annoyance? Did he say "Get rid of them or I'll flip out and get all Aspfriends on you about it"?  Nope, he sure didn't.  I mean, if he threatened to go all AspFriends on me like he ended up doing, then I might have thought it was a bigger deal to him.

If I ever do comment on your blog by name, I will also follow up with

an email confirming it was me but it is unlikely I would comment on

your blog even thought I do recieve RSS Feeds on your blogs and

comments along with 400+ other blogs in Google Reader.

And whomever insulted that cuckoo drawing that time anonymously or

with a weird name that was not me I criticize many things but I think

art and graphics are very personal, and each person's taste is

different. If forced to give an opinion I actually like it.

Please remove it if you want a blog with comments that actually the

name watches the real person or not, your call.

specifically:

*****************************************************

re: August 23, 2007 Ask An Expert Live Chat

from Bill's House O Insomnia - All Comments by Charles Mark Carroll

Nobody cares about that chat or your blog. Why dont' you just disapear

all together off this site? Your blog has no readers and nobody cares

about your blog Why dont you take a lesson from me and write about

positive things

******************************************************

I never wrote that comment, like recently the comment from someone

pretending to be Rob Pfefferkorn, you are being conned.

-------------------------------------------------------

And I contacted Rob and got everything straight.  I handled the issue with Rob the same way I handled it with Charles.  But Rob Pfefferkorn is a cool dude and a good guy - reasonable.  And at the time Charles was seemingly reasonable. But he can't make it long without going all AspFriends on people when he gets mad.  Hopefully he'll keep it consistent and when he goes AspFriends on me next time, take down his stupid site.

# William said on October 30, 2007 11:32 AM:

Now if you look at Charles' page, he removed all of the comments.  He apparently couldn't keep inventing enough facts to make his story believable adn realized how lame his excuse was. He'll no doubt attribute it to something else, same song different day.

# Jen in Atlanta said on October 30, 2007 2:44 PM:

Bill, did you see he took all o.f his comments down LOL.  He tried lying his way out of the thing with you Kim and doug talking on the phone and Kim refusing to talk to doug, and he knew he was just flat busted. I called him on the spam thing and he was so lame he started talking about his spam. he still wont backup his claim you moderated comments and let the fakes  slip through on purpose and he wont back up his claim doug talked to you.  Next time you get in a battle with someone make sure they aren't illiterate. for all his yacking about his writing he sure cant do it very well can he. Too bad he took his comments down cuz it was really funny watching him lye himself into a whole

# Jen in Atlanta said on October 30, 2007 3:50 PM:

Ya know Bill, you need to  send an email to the folks at InlineASP telling them to update their stuff.

They keep pointing out that if you search for Charles Carroll, Charles Mark Carroll or Charles M Carroll on google, that their site or yours gets most of the coverage.  So I looked for myself and yeppur, this post tore him a new one.  Their posts tore him a new one about 20 times over.  Guess search engine optimization isn't his strong point.

Just for gigs I looked at MSN Live Search for Charles Carroll, Charles M Carroll and Charles Mark Carroll and I'll just say, see for yourself search.msn.com/results.aspx

That old proverb about digging two graves before seeking revenge is one he ought to have taken more seriously

# Jen in Atlanta said on November 19, 2007 11:32 PM:

Howdy neighbor.  I know you're probably sleeping but wanted to give you something fun to wake up to.  Ryan may have sent it to you already but in case he didn't, he gets 1000 coool points for posting this community.strongcoders.com/.../when-psychopaths-attack.aspx

about the chickens~~~ named Charles Mark Carroll who wussed out from a fight with a little 105 lb girl.  Im going to start the clock to see how long it takes yur Buddy to go Bakersfield Chimp as you like to say.  If Charles Mark is awake now and sees Ryan's comments, I bet we can expect a blow up by coffeetime tomorrow.  To bad Ryan didn't ask him why he pulled down all the comments after a girlhalf his size schooled him so bad.

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