Recruiters - Read this

Published Sun, Feb 12 2006 21:54 | William

Hmm, when every single developer bitches about the same thing, maybe it's worth listening to.  Maybe just maybe recruiters ought to start reading what their primary targets are talking about.  Andy just posted this about recruiters. and well, it's military specific but pretty damned applicable for what we all have to deal with.  I mean, how many times do you hear "Well, it says that they need someone with Object Oriented experience, and relational database experience."  Seriously, back when that wasn't everyone I sort of understand it.  But find me 10 programmers that actually collect a paycheck that aren't working/haven't worked with Object oriented design or a relational database.  I've give credit where it's due. I talked to Microsoft's recruited twice and they were sharp.  They were intelligent and knew what they were asking. I talked to a few (as in under 5 recruiters that impressed me as well).  But most are annoying.  And the really annoying ones are the ones that think they're good, the 'closers'. I have a lot of sympathy to someone new in the game that doesn't know much about it yet and is just doing what they're told. But after they screen you and you get the closer - those are the king jackasses.  All they need is a Series 7 and they could be stockbrokers, or a car lot and be used car salesman offering you "buy here pay here" financing.  Hopefully someday they'll get a clue, but I'm not holding my breath.

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# Andy said on February 12, 2006 9:51 PM:

I am right there with you on this Bill. What a bunch of f#cktards. To date I have met less than 5 recruiters that I would say are good at what they do. I have a bunch of recruiter horror stories. That was just the first. Wait until I post on the "oh I forgot the client says x is a must after your seventh of seven interviews and the main interviewer has just offered you the position and you realize the x the recruiter called about is something you don't have". Those are the best.

# Jason Haley said on February 13, 2006 5:36 AM:

# Irene said on February 14, 2006 9:06 AM:

As a recruiter, I find your thoughts very common with all people who are looking for a job or have been posted on a job board. I too have been called by recruiters who have no clue what I do or what the job requirement entails. On occasion, the person at the company who wrote the job requirement may not know what they writing either.
With that bit of information, keep in mind that you should be selective with the people you work with to find your next career. Don't let it get to you when someone who has not one clue about technology or what they are looking for calls, instead educate them. Tell them that every developer needs to understand object oriented design etc. But then, let them know you only work with people who are business savvy and know what they are doing because your time is expensive.

In light of St. V Day, think of finding a job like finding your perfect mate. You go through the dating process, and you'll find some good ones and some really bad ones and some who don't ever call. But once you find the right match, all the stars align and the world is your oyster again.

# William said on February 14, 2006 12:38 PM:

Irene:

The problem is that so many people that I've dealt with are borderline frauds. I know that as a recruiter, you shouldn't have the same techincal skills that I'm going to have. But on the other hand, I've also seen a lot of shady stuff, big time shady that's inexcusable. More times than not, idiocy or shadiness is the exception rather than the rule. If I don't know someone, you can tell me 100000000 times how much you care about me and that you erally want me to get the job, I'm not buying it. If you tell me that it's a job that I tell you I don't want/know how to do, then don't place me there. And this crap about asking my my Social Security number over the phone is crazy.

The problem with recruiters is that there's a lot of turnover. And there's a lot of expereienced ones that love lecturing newbies on the way 'it has to be done'. So it turns into a bioler room mentality. And that crap with dealing witha 'closer' after I've spent 20 minutes with someone else is the most infuriating thing in the world. Ok, I just spent 20 minutes listening to this speil only to have the closer tell me that's not all true and try to brow beat me into doing it anyway.

There's a reason that just about EVERY blog post you find about recruiters is negative and it's unfortunate for the few good ones out there. But they are very few in comparison to the idiots.

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