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No disrespect intended against your mother, but I believe her memory is faulty. I remember growing up in the redder-necked parts of the South as a child and seeing plenty of old Ford Econoline, Chevy and Dodge vans with stickers, murals, round porthole windows, etc. I do not recall seeing any VW microbuses with "If this van's a rockin'" and "free moustache rides" stickers on them.
What have you got against hippies?
Or patchouli oil for that matter?
No disrespect taken - mom is flat out wrong on this. When you pegged the Round Porthole Window, that jogged my memory - that was the missing piece I was looking for. Mom's getting up in the years and she's quick to claim omnipotence when it comes to the late 60s and 70s - and since she wasn't a hippy or into Disco, I think she missed out on a lot. You rock
I checked out your blog so there's a high probability that i'm going to say something offensive. If I do, I assure you that its not my direct intent. I'm pretty hard on just about every group out there and even more harsh on ones that I'm a member of. However, my gripe with hippies is as follows:
You have two groups of hippies... the real ones who group up in the 60s and the modern genx, geny variety that by and large, come from wealthy households and love to lecture everyone else about the evil of their ways if they happen to disagree with them on anything. As far as the first group of hippies went, that's a pretty big group of folks but by and large, my gripe with them is that they are patent hypocrites. Notice that there isn't a big hippie movement in Cambodia or either of the Vietnams. Nor one in Russia. Nor one in ethiopia. I could go on and on. It's primarily an Western "First World" phenomenon. But they get to do their thing preciesely because of the things that they are against - namely the US and it's culture. It was an unsustainable philosophy and the only reason there are any of them left is precisely because there's enough 'greedy capitalist' pigs to allow it. Sorry man, but even though Jerry and the boys did a lot of great stuff, they were allowed to live the lifestyle they did precisely becuase of capitalism. There's absolutely no imagineable way that they could have acheived what they did were it not for all the 'greedy capitalists' in this world. And let's say that I'm wrong and it is a sustainable philosophy, that it is a way lots of people can live their lives without taking advantage of all of the benefits that a materialistic society affords. Hmmm, wonder how much better off we'd be if all of today's doctors, engineers, nurses, pharmacists etc that were former hippies stayed that way. Health care would be really great, and cheap too right? Same for air travel. Same for medical research.
As for Genx and Geny hippies, that's actually who I absolutely detest as a whole. Pure 100% hypocrites. My favorite are the Vegans who wear Birkenstocks. I got no problem with Vegans if that's your thing. But getting lectured by some smelly SOB who think he's better than everyone who eats meat because Meat is Murder (but wearing Birkenstocks isn't - cows have to die for Birks to be made) gets a little grating. Listening to lectures about what a great man Castro is or Che was is a little sickening considering I grew up in a town where I knew many, let me emphasize MANY, people who risked their lives (and lost family members) to leave the Utopia Castro had created - and the amazing part, is that they risked getting gunned down, getting eaten by Sharks, dehydration and much more, just so they could come to this capitalist hell and be exploited by the Military Industrial Complex. Same for Germany. They didn't build the fence to keep people out - they built it to keep people in. Kind of a funny thing to do if people are happy becuase they live in Utopia. Socialism has killed more people in the 20th century than anything else - excuse me, murdered more people... So to hear people living in our society, that only have the right to be hippies and criticize the government because of luxuries it affords them, trash it, it greating. Not to mention that most of the ones I knew went to college with me which by default, pretty much meant you came from a fairly affluent family. They skied at Vail every year too and went home and toured with the dead (while they were still around - then Phish or the STring Cheese Incident) all because they had parents who could flip the bill for it.
Then there's that tripe about Deoderant. I wouldn't bitch about Patchouli if they didn't constantly lecture me on Deoderant. But not showering is lame. Is dirty. Notice that in hospitals before surgery - the doctors use SOAP to wash their hands with. A sterile field has been one of the greatest advances in medicine in recorded history. Why? Because many germs are bad. So is infection. And you'll notice that if patients are dirty, they'll clean the patient too - kinda hard to have a sterile field without it. They don't swab patchouli on the patient. THe doctor doesn't put patchouli on his hands. That pretty much proves it to me.
So, I don't think hippies are more annoying than say Genx yuppies, which I guess I'm a part of, as a whole, but at least yuppies earn their own way in life which reduces the hypocrimeter a little bit. I know I know, that's a broad brush I'm using. I agree. You can find counter examples everywhere but on the whole, I've seena whole lot more evidence, a whole lot more, in the affirmative on this one.
And that in a nutshell is my gripe with both Hippies and Patchouli.
BTW, how does one propose to implement peace against folks who demand war? If you'd like, i have a whole CD full of pictures from some of my friends who are in Iraq right now - who didn't really want to go there in the first place but no are pretty committed to staying. I'd be glad to send you some of them. Imagine if there were still rape rooms, or children in mass graves, no freedom anywhere, except freedom to get shot and tortured if you disagreed with Sadaam.
I think people can certainly disagree on war and this one in particular. But there's a lot being filtered and I'd really like to see how folks who are opposed to it would respond to seeing the mass graves, which are about as long as a football field, with body bags stacked on top of each other - I wonder if those folks would like to have had the privilege to live under a 'fascist' like Bush, where they were free to criticize him and put up web sites denouncing his administration, I wonder what they would think? And what about the eduction that we are establishing there. WHere women are free to hold office. And in Afghanastan - where women don't have to wear Burkas anymore at the threat of being stoned if they don't comply. Or are women's rights only an American luxury? I've also got a few close ups of the rape rooms and torture rooms. And print outs of the names of people at Abu Ghraib that were tortured way before some white trash from West Virgina ever set foot over there. war is some seriously ugly crap and it's never a good in and of itself. But sometimes its necessary.
Heh. Bill you are correct it was the big brown dodge and chevy vans insides almost always had some sort of panneling ( fake wood ) and carpeting. The porthole window was an absolute must. Drivers of these often had the porn star mustache and a mullet.
And on the hippie thing. I live in Oregon capitol of genx and younger waste of life rich kids playing hippie. "Nice shoes, what did you do with rest of the cow?" pretty much sums up my attitude towards them. I grew up on my uncles dairy farm, my Dad's contracts often took him to other countries so a good 80% of my childhood was spent there (it was kind of weird when Dad was home I got to do computer sh!t and when he was away I had to milk cows). If you wanted money you got a summer job in addition to your regular chores. So after the milking was done I'd go help the neighbors hay, pick rocks, fix fence etc. I paid my own way through college via the Marine Corps. Shooting things and blowing sh!t up paid the bills for my education. So I tend to have zip point sh!t for patience when it comes to dealing with those f#ckers. As a matter of fact I'm just back from a nice carnivore trip with the kids fishing and hunting up in the mountains. Yummy! The ones I really love are the "save the old growth forest f#ckers" they combine the wannabe hippie with an incredibly warped view of how forest eco-systems work. You hear things like "if you take away the old growth the animals won't have anywhere to live" coming from people who have never been farther into the woods than at best a weekend hike. Their misinformation is astounding to anyone who has ever spent more than a few weeks of their life in the woods. I don't know if I ever posted this on my blog but when I got out of the Marines I spent six months in the woods living of the land in an area called "Bull of the woods" it's a wilderness area in Oregon. Then to have some f#cking idiot tell me how a healthy forest functions, based on whatever propoganda they've been fed, is generally more than I can take. I could go on for hours about how much I dislike them and their pretentious ways but I need to catch up on my reading as I've been way out in the sticks for the last four days.
Andy: Again you give me another reason to admire you. Nothing better than listening to some dickhead who grew up in a 7,500 sq foot house bitching about Materialism. I know, we'll no doubt here some poor hippy post here telling us about how wrong we are. But the fact is, that's what most of those idiots are about. And PEACE is my favorite. Peace means both sides aren't screwing with each other. Unilateral peace means you get your a33 kicked, killed, raped or whatever other miserable thing. And it's like if we just got rid of the department of defense, disbanded our military, the world would just love us and nothing would happen. We wouldn't be invaded or anything, they'd just let us be because we're all about peace. Those Rape rooms and mass graves that I have pictures of must just be American Propoganda even though Bush must be as dumb as they say if they are - if the average joe out there saw this shit, we'd have nuked Iran and Saudi Arabia already just on general outrage. The body bags with little tiny skeletons behind Abu Ghraib take the fu$$$$g cake. And this is all about Oil! Peace dude. Sure, as long as it's not their kids that are being hacked up. But if it's some chump in Iraq - who are we to judge and impose our values on them. War for Oil my a33. That's why it's more expensive than ever huh? And why wouldn't we just invade Alaska - it'd be a lot cheaper. And old growth forests - I love them especially when they burn ever summer and fu***k all sorts of things up. Environmentalists hate energy - Period. Martin Heidegger - Nazi Philosopher that he was, was among the first hard core Environmentalists - and he was a sharp fellow. Control energy control people. Simple formula.
And There IS NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING VIRTUOUS about NOT SHOWERING and/or Wearing that nasty ass patchouli.. It should be outlawed!
Thanks again Andy.
P.S. Have you gunned down that dog yet?
bill - definitely gotta agree with you here....it was no doubt the ford econolines...
Chalk up another one for the Ford Econolines.
Sort of OT: I was going to Canada this weekend and I saw a car spewing blue smoke while driving down the highway, as I got closer it was covered in bumper stickers...and they said things like 'Peace for all nations', and 'Love mother earth stop raping her for oil'.... priceless *bonk*
I dunno if you guys have Whole Foods stores (I'm sure Andy does, being in Oregon). That's one of my favorite hippy hypocrisies (heh heh).
So many urbanite yuppies with their doo-rags and birkenstocks populate that place, buying their vegan soy milk and Adbusters (anti-corporate propaganda) magazines. In short, the Dennis Kucinich crowd.
But what do they think Whole Foods is? It's a big F#ing corporation, that's what! What, do they use organic gasoline to power the food distribution trucks?
They even have special napkin dispensers to "help save trees" in their cafe area. Of course the stupid vegans believe that--but in reality, it's a big corporation trying to save paper costs.
We had one of those back in Miami and it was too f-ing much. I remember a bunch of people actually got sick off of some of the stuff which would have been really funny if people didn't get hurt. Organic my a33. That Adbusters sh1t is the w0rst isn't it? In grad school I had this total GranolaHead prof and her class should just have been called How to be an Obedient Democrat or Green Party Member. She always distributed that sh1t - it was a marketing class and was supposed to teach advanced statistics in Marketing.
i just got a 69 chevy van this week and in decribeing it to peoplple i tell them that it has a sticker saying , if this vans a rocken dont bother knocken sticker on it .. they laugh and said they use to have one like it on their van .. mine really does not have one on it but i remember alot that did
if anyone knows where i can get one of those, if this vans a rockin bumper stickers, please email me at, email@example.com, i cant find them anywhere
can you think of any names of hippy vans
Patchouli oil is a very good thing. It calms you down and relaxes you. You shouldn't be so closeminded and accept things as they are, you don't have to wear it and thats your choice, but respect the views of others. Remember to treat poeple how you would like to be treated.
Peace and Love-
<<Patchouli oil is a very good thing. It calms you down and relaxes you.>> Actually, it doesn't. It causes me to gag which is very uncomfortable. I've also been lecutred into the ground by neo-hippies who tell me how awful things like deoderant are and how I should wear pachouli and shower less b/c it'll save water.
I do treat people for the most part how I'd like to be treated - I have my shortcomings - we all do. But I dont' exepct people to accept every quirk or shortcoming of mine - and I don't of others. Closemindedness (which is what it's called whenever you disagree with people that roll like that) isn't always bad. Shouldn't we be closeminded about Rape, child molestation, etc? Shouldn't we be closeminded about closemindedness?
Peace and Wealth
You and your whore Mother both have it wrong. The van in question is the Classic Chevy, circa 1975. The FuckedOverRoadDevice (FORD) that you speak of was only what cheap dumbshit immitators drove, probably someone like your redneck moron Father. You may not know the man, but like it or not, you are still his fetid spawn.
You were most likely conceived on the rusted floorboards of such a useless piece of crap like the Ford, your sweat-covered mother panting the words to the Lord's Prayer as she was butt-banged.
I wish you luck in your ongoing love-affair with the woman; hopefully one day the two of you can finally pull your heads out of each other's asses.
Wow - you're really funny. No, honestly, you are. Please dont' be such a chickenshit though wolfman - please post your email address so we can converse.
Try vannin.org for a site dedicated to the mobile pornstar porthole van crowd.
Those aren't hippy vans.
Mustaches and mullets all around.
hippies rock, anyone that gets on here and talks shit must be a real bitch huh..(im not talking shit right now for the record.) someone that is a hippie should call my cell phone (517) 617-1100..peace and good day to all man..
HIPPYS ARE GAY AND TOUSE ARE ALL HOBOS
They have a word for people like you, Elvis....
Like the bull said, "We're here, we're steer, get used to it!"
i think ur mum is wrong!i want a campervan so badly my dad sed he wud get me 1 if i do well in ma GCSE's coz im only 14 at the moment!!!!!!!!!
Wow, I can't believe how ignorant some of you are. How can anyone think that cutting down lots of old growth trees can do anything but harm the environment? I mean, it's one thing to not even care, but to actually say that people who tell you it's bad to cut down trees are spreading propaganda...that's disturbing. Although not too surprising, considering it came from someone who was in the army. I guess a person trained to believe that some people's lives aren't worth as much as his own has to have a lot of incorrect ideas about the world.
And no, Bill, we shouldn't be closeminded about anything. When you close your mind, you stop learning, and when you stop learning, you start thinking you know everything. And then you start trying to tell people that wars are necessary sometimes, which they aren't. If the world were run by people who cared about other people, and who would rather solve their arguments by talking than fighting, then what would we need war for? If all the money that gets spent on war was spent towards food, shelter, clean water, heath care, education, and other necessities for people who don't have access to them, then wars wouldn't be needed to "free" people, because they would be free.
And if you can't take hippies seriously because they happened to be born in North America, would you take anyone seriously who had the same message? Someone in Ethiopia, perhaps, who had grown up with all the things that hippies were against? How would you hear this person's message? The only way the message could be heard was through people who had the media accessible to them, which meant first world citizens. They were speaking for all those people who couldn't make their plight known about without help, so the "hippies" (which was just a label given to them by the media) helped them. I don't understand how a person could call them hypocrites, or be against everything they stood for. Ok, the whole "not showering" thing is debatable, but that's not the important message they had for people. Their important message was peace, love, and understanding, which most people could use a lot more of.
Well Sadie, you throw out a lot, but I don't see a lot to substantiate your claims. I'll try to address them individually:
<<Wow, I can't believe how ignorant some of you are. How can anyone think that cutting down lots of old growth trees can do anything but harm the environment? I mean, it's one thing to not even care, but to actually say that people who tell you it's bad to cut down trees are spreading propaganda...that's disturbing. Although not too surprising, considering it came from someone who was in the army. I guess a person trained to believe that some people's lives aren't worth as much as his own has to have a lot of incorrect ideas about the world. >>
Sadie, there is hardly consensus out there on the best way to sustain old growth forests. If disease is spreading then culling is a plus. If trees have died and it's dry out, then culling can be good to prevent forest fires. I could go on case by case, but there's no across the board best policy either way. Your bigotry toward the military though is bothersome. Just because you're taught something doesn't mean you believe it. And to some people's lives are worth more/less than others. Given a choice, I think an innocent 6 year old kid's life is worth more than a war criminal. I think a kid who gets molested has alife that's worth more than the molester. To pretend otherwise is sophistry. If you yourself didn't think your life was worth more than other people's, then why not kill yourself and donate all your money and resources to some poor person in a third world country?
<<And no, Bill, we shouldn't be closeminded about anything. When you close your mind, you stop learning, and when you stop learning, you start thinking you know everything. And then you start trying to tell people that wars are necessary sometimes, which they aren't. If the world were run by people who cared about other people, and who would rather solve their arguments by talking than fighting, then what would we need war for? If all the money that gets spent on war was spent towards food, shelter, clean water, heath care, education, and other necessities for people who don't have access to them, then wars wouldn't be needed to "free" people, because they would be free. >>
Ok , so we should be openminded about hatred? We should be openminded about Genocide? We should be openminded about rape? Read my comments, this is the context of my comment and yes, we should be closeminded about stuff. Your very statement that we shouldn't be closed minded about anything is itself closeminded - or did you miss the irony there. So no war is necessary huh? Ok, well I guess the Jews should have just let Hitler wipe them out. I guess we should have just let Tojo rape and plunder anyone in his way. ANd maybe I'm just a cynic, but I seem to remember a country that spent all sorts of money on the issues you mention above and well, I seem to recall some pretty bad human rights abuses. You know, if you read Mao, he had the same beliefs you do, at least on paper. Honestly, item by item he agreed with you. But he also thought that you needed to break some eggs to make the omelette of a perfect society. That often entailed stuff like using burning skewers to burn the genitallia of dissident's wives and daughters.
How can I call Hippies hypocrites? The same way I can call you one. You live in a society that allows you to exist precisely because people have sacrified their lives for your freedom. Yet you show blind hatred toward the military. You maintain a lifestyle where you can afford to worry about your progressive causes precisely b/c you live in a privileged society. Travel down to Haiti sometime (where I was in the peace corps) and show me some people that have the same concerns as you. They worry about starving mainly. They worry about finding health care at all. Only a spoiled American can complain about not being able to force someone else to pay for their health care. American hippies are the biggest most disgusting hypocrites on the planet. THey bitch about materialism and all sorts of other stuff, but if it weren't for the evil capitalist society they hate so much, they wouldn't be able to live the lifestyle they do. HEad to Haiti sometime and show me how many hippies they have that can afford to travel around following the dead and smoking kind buds. Head over to Zimbabwe and show me people that can afford to worry about the environment. Show me the picture of one of the 6 million Hitler killed, one of the 50 million Stalin killed/starved or one of the 70 million Mao Killed/starved and then tell me that all wars are unnecessary.
Yep, *we* are clearly the ones with the ignorant points of view huh?
Vans are cool.They where built to be enjoyed.Simple and practical.I especially like the 60's chevies. They came with a v8.Sliding doors are the best design of any door.If companies designed modern vans better they would still be selling them.Instead we see totally useless pickups all over.And the guys driving them are like "don't scratch my paint".And they lower them so they can't carry anything .What good is a truck if you treat it like that?I'll admit they probably make good hotrods,but we all know speed is a matter of how much money you have.And SUVs are like giant station wagons and people in the city drive them and never take them off road.
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