Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

WMP10 Library Bugs & Irritations

WMP10 Library Bugs & Irritations

 

(Many also apply to WMP9 and (*) have been reported in betas for either or both player versions).

 

1.        Crashes when bulk-updating some fields in the Now Playing list esp. Album Artist and Composer (happens frequently, but not always)

2.        *Doesn’t reliably split semicolon-delimited artist or composer string fields into separate tokens

3.        *Cannot correct semi-colon errors by editing the node directly

4.        *Cannot jump to artist, album or composer from Now Playing tracks (in Library or Now Playing panes).

5.        *Cannot jump to artist from album track listings.

6.        Jump to Artist is actually Jump to Album Artist

7.        Album name sorting is awkward in some cases e.g. “The Sea II” comes before “The Sea”

8.        Genre “A Cappella” should not be sorted as though the “A” were an (ignorable) English indefinite article. It *is* sorted correctly in the Genre list in the Advanced Tag Editor (which of course has a different set of canned genres listed than in the Album Wizard).

9.        *WMP does not honour file-size limits for MIDI or image files

10.     *WMP folder monitoring does not distinguish music/movie folders from image folders so you end up with Event nodes for each album’s art plus any images in web page thickets mixed in with “real” pictures. I have thousands of pictures with caption label “folder” “AlbumArtSmall” etc

11.     *Pictures can’t be rated

12.     Uploading album data causes ratings to be lost for that album

13.     Uploading individual track data through Find Album Wizard deletes local track Composer data (and possibly other fields)

14.     *Auto-complete entries are almost useless, either completely ignoring recent text entries or using inappropriate entries from other field data-types. (What use is an auto-complete function for track number? It just slows down editing multiple tracks as I cannot arrow down from a “1” entry because it wants to offer me “10”, “11” etc as alternate entries.)

15.     *Dates consistently wrong by a year or more + altered by a year after being entered.

16.     *Does not retain sort-orders

17.     If you drag tracks between two Album nodes with the same Album Title, then WMP asks for confirmation to change the Album Title, when it should ask to change the Album Artist.

18.     *Cannot rate tracks in a playlist or Now Playing.

19.     *Cannot edit some nodes: e.g. “Nils Petter Molvaer” cannot be changed to or merged with “Nils Petter Molvær”

20.     *2nd-level icon for Contributing artist is wrong: uses Album Artist icon (head on top of disk, rather than reverse)

21.     *Cannot directly sort playlists by drag-and-drop: must open a separate playlist edit window.

22.     *The short list of playlists showed in the Add To context menu never changes. It does not show the most recent playlist created or edited. When you choose the Additional Playlists dialog, it always defaults to the alphabetically last playlist, rather than the last one added.

23.     *AMG default genres do not match those in WMP. (Actually this is the tip of the iceberg regarding genre inconsistencies and errors with online data).

24.     *No Undo

25.     Columns are not added near the column under the cursor

26.     Some JPEGs cannot be displayed in WMP, although they can be handled by Windows Picture Viewer and Office 2003 Picture Manager.

27.     *Cannot search into Composer field. I actually thought this had been fixed in v10, but it turns out it was sometimes picking this information up from the File Path. In order to search into Composer field, you have to set up an Auto Playlist with one of the criteria set appropriately. [added 2004-11-10]

28.     *Due to the lousy script code used for uploading albums, one of the consequences of the script failing, is that you can end up with album data successfully uploaded but without your data transferred to your local tracks. [added 2004-11-10]

29.     *Gross inconsistencies between the available viewable/editable fields and the Advanced Tag Editor offering, means that you cannot do things like show the BPM (Beats Per Minute) data [added 2004-11-10]

30.     The "Add played tracks to the library" option seems to have some some of built-in delay. I generally find that such tracks do not appear in the library under respective Artist/Album/Composer nodes until the day after I've played them. [added 2004-11-10]

31.     *If you drag tracks from one composer node to another, and the destination node has an ampersand in the name (e.g. "Sonny & Cher"), then the confirmation dialog substitutes an underscore. This is a novice-level C programming bug due to not escaping the ampersand. [added 2004-11-10]

32.     Certain updates to Composer fields such as fixing tokenization to semi-colons is not written into the data-files, so when you rebuild/rescan your library these fields revert to uncorrected state [added 2004-11-10]

33.     The "Find Album Info" feature is available from the Media Information sub-pane of Now Playing pane, but is greyed out when trying to access it from the list above it, or from either of the Now Playing lists in the Library pane. Even then it's a roll of the dice as to whether you'll get anything other than a mostly blank pane without any kind of status message. I say "mostly" because there are two bits of functional UI - a very small "Back" button, and a much larger blue button that does nothing but return an error message about the lack of a security certificate. Seems kinda weird to make a completely useless piece of UI bigger than the only working piece. [added 2004-11-11]

34.     If you create an auto-playlist using multiple criteria, then you may get multiple instances of some tracks returned if they fulfil multiple criteria. I set up one that would return tracks for Vangelis as Contributing Artist, and also as Composer. For every track where a match was recorded in both fields, I got two items in the playlist. A database filter should not return multiple hits of a single record. [added 2004-11-12]

 

35.     Now Playing pane only uses first Contributing Artist[added 2004-12-11]

 

36.     *"Group by Sorted Field" feature basically makes most of library unreadable. WMP colour customizations cannot be previewed with library open, so it's very tedious yo get this looking right.[added 2004-12-11]

 

37.     *"Sorting "Artist" field in library by clicking column header only applies to first artist (i.e. up to first semi-colon), so you can't use it to distinguish different sets of artists. [added 2005-2-22]

 

38.     * Media Exporter plug-in only exports a subset of library fields. It (like other features noted above) also ignores additional artists listed in the [Contributing] Artist field, so it is not a complete nor reliable method of backing up or extracting library data [added 2005-2-22]

 

39.     "Find Album Info" may return a different album record for your data than "View album Info". For example Antony and the Johnsons' EP "The Lake" returns a user-uploaded record in the first instance, and a full album listing with label/release data and album art in the 2nd case. This is repro'd consistently even after re-looking up the album information to get the more complete data record associated with the local tracks. [added 2005-2-22]

 

40.     Album art displayed as the visualization in Now Playing pane is not resized for viewing if the art is larger than the pane - the art is clipped. Not great for those who have taken the trouble to do good quality scans of album art [added 2005-2-24]

 

41.     Now Playing list in Library is empty despite one or more tracks being displayed in the Now Playing Pane [added 2005-3-13]

 

42.     If you rip a new copy of an album, then WMP will move the tracks previously ripped from into the same folder as the newly ripped tracks. The old folder is deleted - even if it had a different name. ( All rename & rearrange options turned off. Old files were MP3, newer were lossless WMA. Repro'd multiple times) [added 2005-3-13]

 

43.     WMP cannot read Duration tag from some MP3 headers even though every bit of freeware/payware shareware media software has no difficulty, and the files were ripped with WMP. Playing the files in WMP does *not* update the tags as Microsoft claimed. Consequence: files cannot be burnt to audio CD. Lengthy workaround: rebuild tags with Winamp. [added 2005-3-13]

 

44.     Ampersand escaping error in the Album title "button" near the top right of Now Playing pane. Shows as underscore. (Similar issue in #31) [added 2005-3-20]

 

45.     If you create a burn-list, with play-length longer than an audio CD, but change the output to Data CD, WMP does not notice and still maintains the extra files will not fit, and will only burn the first 80mins of complete tracks to the CD. To fix, you have to set the output before creating the burn list. [added 2005-3-27]

 

Reported by others

1.        Cannot turn off metadata tool-tips

2.        Duplication of top-level album-nodes [I've seen this now]. I also get occasional duplication of individual tracks (i.e. file path is identical)

3.        Unable to scan for any/all media tracks. Scanning stops before examining all folders on a drive.

 

 

 

 

Published Mon, Oct 18 2004 21:39 by Mike

Comments

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

-Prevents editing of some tags thrugh the advance tag editer
After the apply and OK options are selected, the changes are not saved.
-Does not allow to deleted an item from a database. That happens sometimes when the item (a track or a whole albom) is deleted thrugh the explorer, and sometimes when I try to delete it in the WMP.
I could not detect any consistent behavor depending on the options in the option->library forlder

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:07 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Deleting files from the playlist is often buggy, sometimes the track is not removed, and carries on playing even though it has been deleted.

Still have to wait for option box to decide whether to delete from computer or just library - why can't we have direct menu options for this?

Can no longer access album information from windowsmedia.com, instead directed to msn music, which always returns 'various artist' based information - quite sick of looking at this same page.

Often when returning to the library page the music node is selected rather than the last viewed node.

WMP10 seems to me to have lost more than its gained.

Friday, November 05, 2004 9:32 PM by Mike

# re: What Will It Take For Microsoft To Get It Right?

Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:33 PM by TrackBack

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

When playing mp3's how in the world do you get the playlist to also show Artist? I only see Title info when I have the right side of the window showing the playlist and the left side showing the Album Art. Is there a way to control what is shown in the Playlist box?

sk

Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:27 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

These questions are best addressed to a newsgroup like microsoft.public.windowsmedia.player - or even search the Google archives there as this has been asked before.

About the best you can do to show more details in the Now Playing Pane, is to drag the central window divider as far to the left as you can. This allows WMP to show the Title, Contributing Artist and Time fields.

Sunday, December 05, 2004 8:13 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Don't know if anyone has noticed, but sometimes (almost everytime) I sort a view of the library (e.g. a search or auto playlist), some of the lines disappear from view or appear to be covered in white. I have to manually "select" them to read those lines, and it's very annoying. The sort command is still performed ok. Mysteriously the white goes away and everything is normal if I add or remove a column from the view.

Anyone else who has this problem?

Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:30 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

This has been asked and answered on the above mentioned newsgroup.

Go to the Library Options button (next to Quick Search box) and disable "Group by Sorted Field".

Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:37 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

How can i have wmp10 not to collapse the library sub-trees (especially the album for audio and atrist for video) when wmp is restarted?

Monday, December 20, 2004 2:30 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Does anyone know why WMP10 won't allow you to "Find Album Info" for certain albums?? And it's not some totally unheard of album. It's Outkast - Aquemini, but when I right-click on any of the titles it doesn't allow me to look up album info.

Solutions??

Friday, December 24, 2004 1:15 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

The online database has had this problem throughout its history. It seems to have gotten worse lately, and I suspect that's due to some merging of multiple data sources (including some from Japan and Korea) and many albums have been "lost" or English-language data has been replaced with Japanese or Korean-language data.

I've also tracked a few albums that I've uploaded over the last year. None of them have made it through to the "final" stage of being available for re-download. Either there's no trce, or the album data is missing all the track information (which I had uploaded).

Friday, December 24, 2004 1:32 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

I think I may have determind the cause of my problem, can someone confirm?

I believe that WMP can only "Find Album Info" if there is enough remaining disk space in the Temporary Internet Files folder. For instance, I increased it from 1192 MB to 1292 MB, and that seemed to do the trick for a little while. But I've since added more albums to my collection and am again trying to find the album info for those new albums. I just placed an Eminem album into WMP and the first 19 tracks allow me to look up the album info. Track #20, however, does not allow me that option. I wonder if that 19th track put me right up against the 1292 MB mark. If this is the case, what is a suggested amount of disk space to allocate for the Temp. Internet Files folder??

Anyone??

Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:21 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Interesting theory. It may be a contributing factor, although my IE cache usage is small (as I use Firefox which has a separate cache).

When the album lookup fails for me, it'll be something like track 2 and track 8, but all the others work.

Sunday, December 26, 2004 11:01 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

After being converted to iTunes, I still can't figure out why Microsoft won't let me sort my music by GENRE-ARTIST-ALBUM. If you're like me, you have a collection of at least 25,000 tracks. That can make it rather difficult to choose something when searching for music to listen to. I find that the GENRE item in the Media Library is useless -- "wow, so I click on Rock and WMP displays 8,000 songs all in one window... :/" -- Now, if I could click on GENRE and then have another subitem under it called ARTIST I would be happy. And imagine if they even added another sub-category that further separated my tracks... let's say, uh, ALBUM...

Anyway, what I just typed probably won't make sense to anybody but myself... Just believe me, it made sense in my head!

Friday, December 31, 2004 9:23 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

The type of view you asked for has been suggested for a long time, but the overall library design seems to be very entrenched as the only beta feedback taken seems to have been to fix some minor string bugs.

The WMP library has so many left-over bugs from v9, I doubt that much attention has been paid to making improvements for the iPod generation. Apart from adding the Composer tree and Album Artist trees (but ignoring a bunch of related items) everything in v10 has been a step down from v9.

Friday, December 31, 2004 10:40 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

paypal paymetn for anyone who can send a solution to thjese problems to thamc@blueyonder.co.uk ..i am desparate!

Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:00 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

I just came into an iPod. Can I use WMP to transfer songs to my iPod if it's windows formatted; if not, is it better to sell my iPod and get a different mp3 player that does? My biggest concern with this is that I have to download iTunes and move all of my mp3s into iTunes and in turn lose all of the album info that I was able to gather through WMP.

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:09 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

If you search through the newsgroup archives you'll find answers to these sorts of questions. iPod/iTunes does not support WMA and Apple won't let anyone else use their file format, so you can make your own decisions based on that. There is an iPod plugin for WMP at www.wmplugins.com - again all this info is on the newsgroups.

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:19 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

anyone know why in wmp 10 after you have created a new genre such as wcs (west coast swing) it will after months revert to the oringinal genre such as blues or rock?? It leaves some songs with the new genre, but randomly changes back others.....help!! thanx

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:43 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Probably overwritten by WMP using information from online database.

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:55 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

I noticed that Artist - > Album nodes show ALL SONGS for any album with that name

So, if you have 2 artists that have say an album called Greatest Hits, you will go to Artist1 -> Greatest Hits and will see all the songs from Artist1 AND Artist2.. even though you are directly under the Artist1 node!! I like wmp for it's organization, but this oversight is pretty rediculous

Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:36 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

You need to make sure that the Album Artist field is filled in so that WMP can tell the difference between the two albums. Please read my article on Artist fields.

Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:55 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Didn't notice this posted.

Sorting by album doesn't neccesarily sort secondarily by track #. For example, I've got some albums that, when sorted by the album column, will be in track order as well, and other that will have totally randomized tracks. I, for one, like to have my albums sorted correctly. Not just by the album name, but then also by their track#s. I can't figure out why WMP10 would do this, as all my files have the same ID3 version, and all follow the same organization scheme.

I also wish WMP would remember what my last screen was. By all means, start me up where I left off. Meaning, if I was listening to Akasha - Jazz Garage, in the All Music/Genre/Acid Jazz views with the Columns sorted by Album and Track....then, damnit, start right there again!

Sunday, March 06, 2005 9:18 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

i had a problem where it would search for new files upon request, but not add them. or it would add like 20 of them when i have 10,000.

there was no way to fix it short of deleting the entire library, but there is no option for deleting the entire library. i had to keep messing with it until it decided the library was corrupt and it deleted it itself. i had no idea where the library file was or how to delete it and couldn't find the info online.

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:46 AM by Mike

# Duplicates content found on drives created by Subst

If you create a drive by using subst, WMP Library will duplicate media found even though its physically on the same local HD.

For example, open a command prompt and create a drive J: using this:

subst J: c:\

media player will scan "J" and start adding entries like this:

J:\documents and settings\...... even though the real files are on C:\documents and settings\ and were already picked up by the WMP library

there is an api call that can determine if a file/path is on a subst drive. use it.

--mike

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:27 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

WMP cannot change the location (i.e. sourceURL) of its items. Instead it removes the item and adds it back again. This results in losing ratings and other media tags that are not (yet) residing in the file itself. Changing the location without removing them would be much more efficient.

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:03 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

If you move (as opposed to copying) the file anywhere on your local system, WMP will track it automatically and nothing is lost.

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:23 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Ryan: the library database location is documented on Zach's WMP Mini-FAQ page, and that link has been posted *many many* times on the Windowsmedia newsgroups

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:26 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

I have many folders of mp3s. Each mp3 has a lovely name, usually the albums name, disc number track number and song name. When i select a folder and tell windows to add all files to a play list it usually does in a nice way. Ie it keeps my mp3 names in its list of songs. But for some unknown reason on some folders it insists on renaming all the mp3s. So you end up with "track 1", "track2". In a list of 1500 songs this is kind of freaken annoying. Is there any way to tell win play not to rename my songs at random.

Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:40 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Yes and No. Disabling the rename and rearrange options in the Options dialog should do this. However v9 and v10 of WMP tend to ignore these settings and rename, rearrange or remove your files on a whim. My first WMP blog entry covers some of my experiences with this. See http://msmvps.com/thinice/archive/2004/10/07/15231.aspx. To date, MS has shown no interest in investigating this problem.

PS as always, please post questions to one of the Windowsmedia newsgroups e.g. microsoft.public.windowsmedia.player so it can be discussed. Better still: check those newsgroups archives for prior discussion or solution of your problems. See http://groups.google.com.au/groups?group=microsoft.public.windowsmedia

Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:02 PM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Maybe this is an OT, but it seems to me incredible that in WMP users can't choose the PATH where files are moved-to when automatic rearranging of library is "turned on".
WMP stores by default in "..\<album artist>\<album>\" directory, but many mp3 files managed by other player only have <artist> tag instead of <album artist>
I can't find a solution to this issue, even looking inside text-based configuration files of WMP.
Any suggestion?

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:28 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

And also ... Why Microsoft WMP team doesn't plan to introduce a node grouping entries by <artist> (or <author> that is the same tag)? All others player and library software store artist information in this tag! You have to copy <artist> tag to <album artist> or <composer> to browse your files with WMP. Incredible!

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:50 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

Dear Ink - as i have written many times above: POST QUESTIONS TO THE WINDOWSMEDIA NEWSGROUPS!! If you can't follow that then any commentary I make will be pointless.

Most of your questions are already answered in articles and posts on this site anyway.

OT posts will be deleted.

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:48 AM by Mike

# re: Windows Media Player Library Bugs and Irritations

I can comment on the second one in the list:
"*Doesn’t reliably split semicolon-delimited artist or composer string fields into separate tokens"

I actually stumbled across the real cause of this pretty much accidentally. It will split the fields correctly if you list the tokens alphabetically. So for example: "Dr.Dre;Snoop Dogg" will get split correctly, but "Snoop Dogg;Dr. Dre" will not.

Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:54 PM by Eric

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