Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

I hate to say "I told you so", but I told you so.

Back in October 2006 I said:

"What I want to know is, where the heck were Spamhaus's legal counsel when Spamhaus made the very silly decision to simply ignore the US lawsuit because they're in the UK and they felt somehow "safe"?  Did Spamhaus receive bad advice, or did they ignore good advice? Only Spamhaus knows."

Followed by:

"They should have fought this issue.  Whoever it was that told Spamhaus that they were "safe" in the UK or did not discourage the misapprehension that USA laws couldn't touch Spamhaus, have a lot of explaining to do."

The decision released on 30 August addressed Spamhaus's appeal against the validity of the default judgment against them, whether or not the default judgment was properly served at all, the size of the damages award and the injunctive relief.  Except for some technicalities, Spamhaus have pretty much lost on all fronts.

Now, virtually every article by-line I have seen so far focuses on the fact that the $11+ million award against Spamhaus has been vacated, putting a nice spin on the story with by-lines like "Appeals Court Tosses $11M Spamhaus Judgement, "Court junks $11m judgment against Spamhaus", "US court grants Spamhaus reprieve", "Appeals Court Vacates $11M Judgment Against Spamhaus", "Spam Blacklists Still In Tunnel, But Is That Light Up Ahead?", "$11 Million Spamhaus Penalty Tossed" and, the best of the lot, "Spamhaus Appeal: They Win on Substance".

You know what? I think it's time to shine the light of reality on this sorry story.  The only thing that could be classed as being close to a true 'win' of any real substance is the decision about the injunctive relief originally granted to e360.  Everything else is a loss for Spamhaus, or a decision to reassess, but not reverse, a decision.  Let's have a look at what was actually decided, shall we?

At the time of publication, Spamhaus themselves are strangely silent on their 'win' with the news latest entry being 21 June 2007.

The default judgment

This loss for Spamhaus boils down to one thing- a really stupid move on Spamhaus's part.  Spamhaus answered the original e360 complaint, denied many allegations and asserted 14 affirmative defenses, including lack of personal jurisdiction and insufficient service of process.  Their Counsel at the time was not too happy about his client's instructions, but he didn't have much of a choice.  Snippets of the transcript from the hearing in question are, to say the least, enlightening.  Counsel says:

"I am not authorized to do anything more today than to ask this Court that the answer be withdrawn; and, then, once we hear from this Court on that, to get a ruling on our motion to withdraw as counsel."

Then, in what proved to be a killing blow to Spamhaus's later attempts to rescue their situation, their ex-Counsel said:

"[Spamhaus] have been fully informed of the fact that the default judgment is a real possibility.  And they are aware of that, and are prepared to take that risk." 

Remember that statement, gentle reader, it is pivotal.

In short, Spamhaus responded to the suit, and then abandoned their defense.  The Judge made his feelings very clear when he said:

"Here is what we are going to do.  I am going to give you leave to withdraw the answer; I am going to give you leave to withdraw; and, in light of the fact that your client is aware of that - and apparently, has sent no one here to disagree with the request to withdraw; and I assume you told them it was a dead-bang certainty that default is going to be entered without any resistance to the lawsuit - I am going to enter a default order today.  And I will ask you, as your, if not your final act, at least approaching finality, to let you[r] client know what happened this morning.  And tell them it is not just a risk that they will lose the case, but it is a dead-bang certainty.  And the first step has been undertaken with the entry of a default."

Default judgment was eventually entered against Spamhaus for $11,715,000.00 plus $1,917.50 in costs.  Attorney fees and punitive damages were denied, and a permanent injunction was granted.  All of a sudden this became far more than a UK company thumbing its nose at the US legal system, whilst blowing raspberries in e360 and the USA Court system's general direction.

Spamhaus lodged a Rule 60(b) motion to vacate the default and the default judgment making various assertions, including that they had received conflicting legal advice, and that its instruction that prior counsel withdraw was based on a misunderstanding of the applicable law.  A lot of protection that they claimed depended on some very important features - whether or not the defendant in question had **appeared in the case** and whether the defendant had **actively abandoned their defense***.  And therein lies a big problem.  Putting aside the comments made by their original Counsel that made it very clear that Spamhaus had been warned what would happened if they went down the path they chose, the District Court said:

"I do not think there was anything unknowing or unintentional about the decision made not to defend this case once it got over here at some point."

Enough said about that, methinks.

Fast forward to the Supreme Court appeal.  The Court makes its feelings plain....

"Based on its conduct before the court, we have no doubt that Spamhaus understood the defenses available to it, consistently asserted those defenses in the early stages of those proceedings and then affirmatively elected to abandon those defenses before the District Court.  We see no reason to allow Spamhaus to escape the consequences of that decision in the later stages of this proceeding."

In short, Spamhaus backed the wrong horse.  My personal opinion is that Spamhaus's actions had nothing to do with conflicting or bad legal advice, or a misunderstanding of the law, or a lack of understanding of the implications of what they were doing - in my personal opinion Spamhaus knew exactly what they were doing when they made the decision to say to the Courts and e360 "nyah nyah, we're in the UK, you're in the USA, go take a long walk off a short pier, you can't touch us".

The actual award

It could be said that Spamhaus have a win here - but as far as I'm concerned it's more a stay of execution.  To cut a long story short, the Court originally decided that because Spamhaus walked away thereby opening the door to the default judgment, that the damages claimed by e360 could be automatically granted in full.  But that's not quite true.  So, yes, the $11 million plus awarded has been set aside, **but** the Court is simply going to ask for more evidence of loss, and reassess how much will be awarded.  Considering the fact that Spamhaus still lists e360 is a spammer today, years later, this could get real nasty for Spamhaus.

How much will e360 eventually get? Well, let's wait and see.  The problem is *documentation*, not the total itself.  In short, the Judge said:

"Mr Linhardt's affidavit is a conclusory statement of the lost value of his business, based largely on his calculations of lost future profits.  It provides a list of businesses involved in "actual and pending contracts" and a total calculation of his calculation of loss, but says nothing about the status of his relationship with those businesses before e360 was listed on the ROKSO.  That is, the affidavit claimed future loss in absolute numbers, but provides no information whatsoever to support a finding that such future profits were certain prior to Spamhaus' act."

and

"this affidavit alone cannot provide the requisite "reasonable certainty" for a damages award without the necessity of a hearing".

Note the decision says that what is required is "reasonable certainty", not definitive proof.  All that has happened is the Courts have ordered a more extensive inquiry.  The Court has *not* said that e360 is not entitled to the original amount awarded - the Court may decide that the original total is proven to be realistic.  Hell, add to the damages the fact that Spamhaus continues to block e360 and the final award could be even higher!

Injunctive relief

This is a better win for Spamhaus.  Basically the Court decided that the injunction granted was too all encompassing, and inappropriate in any event.  To win an injunction the injured party must:

  1. have suffered an irreparable injury;
  2. the remedies available at law, such as monetary damages, must be inadequate to compensate for said injury;
  3. considering the balance of hardships between the plaintiff and defendant, a remedy in equity is warranted;
  4. the public interest would not be disserviced by a permanent injunction.

That being said, there is nothing to stop the injunction being re-designed, becoming a statement instead of an injunction so that it addresses the Court's concerns about overstating when e360 spammed, and the Court's concerns about giving e360 a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card.  Reword the notice on Spamhaus's site to say that "e360 spammed from X date to X date and we have the proof, but we blocked them in a way that punished them for more than that", and a ruling that a statement be made on the Spamhaus site, and that Spamhaus be restricted from taking action against e360 except for under specific circumstances, could be reinstated.  You see, it's not the *fact* of the injunction that was rejected, it was its effect and whether it was indicative of the real situation, for Spamhaus or e360.

 

So what happens now?

We wait once more to find out what the final award judgment will be, and then we wait to see how it is enforced.  But I say this... Spamhaus **cannot** assume that the UK courts will any more tolerant of Spamhaus's shenanigans than the USA was.  There is no reason to believe that the UK Courts will allow Spamhaus to escape the effect of knowingly walking away from the lawsuit in the USA, any more than the USA courts allowed them to do so.   UK Judges are just as intolerant of defendant's saying "screw you - I ain't listening" as their USA counterparts.   Spamhaus choose their path, they backed their preferred horse, and now they face the music.

[Edited to fix some typos and grammatical errors]

Published Mon, Sep 10 2007 22:55 by sandi

Comments

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 10:13 AM by Tim Bolen

That was no victory, in any sense of the word, for spamhaus.  Nor should it be.

e360 sued spamhaus not knowing exactly who spamhaus is, nor who, and what, they represent.  Their assumption was that spamhaus was a legitimate entity operating in a normal manner to accomplish a defined mission.  Of course, it is not.

Spamhaus is a constuction of "volunteers" whose personal interests guide spamhaus policy.  Those volunteers are unknown to the general community, so the interests they promote are also unknown.

Spamhaus's treatment of the general public is abusive, to say the least, and there are absolutely no standards for policies or enforcement.  Each case is up to the "whim" of the volunteer, and since the volunteer operates secretly, from behind the internet equivalent of a "white sheet with eyeholes," there are no restraints on their activities, nor the methods they use to accomplish those activities.

In other words, there is no transparency.

From the user standpoint, assumptions must be made that those "volunteers" have the worst of motives, and represent the worst type of people, least qualified to make decisions - for the US society is based on transparency and balance.

e360's next move is to expose, and single out, the US volunteers."  There, I think, will be found the real reason spamhaus operates - the personal interest of the volunteers.

Then a whole new game will be on.

Tim Bolen

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 3:23 PM by Rob Hallston

A misinformed assessment if ever I saw one. The reality is that the Appeals court (not the "supreme court" as this opinion says) overturned both the injunction and the award. That's a huge win for Spamhaus. Sure they didn't overturn the technicality of jurisdiction, but said it was a technicality only. They didn't believe the e360 spammer's damages and told e360 basically to prove them, which they knew e360 would not be able to do since they were "pulled from thin air". So costing the e360 guy even more legal fees while Spamhaus walks away smiling.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 3:41 PM by SneakyP

Utter bull,

Since when does any US entity have jurisdiction over UK?

Let Lindhardt re-file his precious papers in UK court, where in all likelyhood he'll pay for the suit and damages he asks for.

UK courts hold the petitioner responsible for losing his case (when so adjudicated).

Spamhaus would be $11.7 mil richer.

You are ignorant about jurisdictional issues, like Lintard was.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 3:48 PM by Kibbutzer

OK, so if a company is sued in another country, you're going to call them to the table if they don't show up to defend themselves?

I believe that Spamhaus will defend themselves in ANY court in the UK, and to believe otherwise is just silly.  You think companies and private entities be forced to defend themselves, regardless of who does it and where it is done?

That is where the shenanigans come in...

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 3:57 PM by Paul Wright

Are you the person spamming links to this all over news.admin.net-abuse.email, by the way? Hope not.

There is no mention of an agreement for enforcing US judgments in the UK at <www.fco.gov.uk/.../Front >, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office's page on the subject. If there's no agreement, e360 would need to sue in the UK. Our data protection and anti-spam laws are stronger than those in the US, as a consequence of EU laws on personal privacy. I'm not a lawyer, but I wouldn't bet on a UK judge seeing e360 as the victims here. e360 might  also be discouraged by the "loser pays" system we have here.

I'm not sure why Spamhaus answered the suit in the US in the first place, since my understanding was that they made things worse for themselves by turning up and then withdrawing than they would if they had just failed to appear.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 4:19 PM by Chuck U. Farley

From which five and dime did you get your law degree?

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 4:40 PM by Mat

Nice article, the interesting part is that Spamhaus also thought, wrongly, that default judgments cannot be enforced "cross border".  Unfortunately, they are wrong there as well; default judgments that are undefended cannot be enforced "cross border" (at least with the UK). e360 however, can enforce their judgment, assuming they get a damages award, because the case was not an undefended default judgment.

Funny part of the whole deal is that e360 could have taken Spamhaus to court in the UK for libel and without fear of prosecution themselves.  The UK antispam law does not apply to non-resident foreign nationals so e360 would not have been prosecuted under that law.  

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 4:44 PM by fudo

Last I checked, none of e360 IPs were listed by Spamhaus, and a random check of a few addresses says that's still the case. In fact, Steve Linford made a public statement about having removed all such listings. So where do you get the notion that Spamhaus is still blocking them?

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 6:38 PM by Etaoin Shrdlu

So what? The US court system has no jurisdiction where Spamhaus is located. They can crow all they want, wrap it anyway they want, slice and dice it the way they want, they just can’t reach Spamhaus.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 7:06 PM by sandi

You know what's really ironic? As noted on the Technology & Marketing Law Blog:

"I understand that Spamhaus wanted to make a philosophical point by not fighting the lawsuit in the US, but had they overlooked their philosophical objections, they should have won a quick victory per 47 USC 230(c)(2)."

blog.ericgoldman.org/.../august_2007_qui_1.htm

Here in Australia we have something called a "Conditional Appearance" wherein a defendant can say "I am going to enter an appearance to protect my interest, but I am doing so while stating that I believe the Court has no jurisdiction".  *That* is what Spamhaus should have done.

A little bit less of the "so what" attitude, and a little bit more serious consideration of the implications and potentials of what Spamhaus may be facing, AND the ongoing effect this decision wi;; have on those who come after Spamhaus, is needed.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 10:03 PM by Al Iverson

This is quite possibly the least accurate analysis of this situation that I've seen.

Nothing wrong with a counterpoint, as far as I'm concerned. Anyone looking for one that I personally find more insightful (if even I don't agree with all points) would be wise to read <a href="directmag.com/.../">Ken Magill's</a> take on the situation.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 10, 2007 10:39 PM by fudo

Some response WRT the errors you've made, is also needed.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:08 AM by sandi

For those of you who want to read the article referenced by Al Iverson, here is a link that works:

directmag.com/.../index.html

BTW, that article is saying pretty much the same thing as I, albeit in different ways ... we even quote the same statement by the Court :-)

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:29 AM by fudo

*Still* no response to the errors in your post, eh? So much for your credibility.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:37 PM by Rob Hallston

>> directmag.com/.../index.html

>>BTW, that article is saying pretty much the same thing as I,

>>albeit in different ways ...

Of course it is, its an article by a pro-spam Direct Marketer: Ken Magill.

What do you expect? Magill to be on the side of Spamhaus? Of course Magill is on the side of the spammer, it's Magill's business to be on the spam side (don't you get "Direct Marketing" aka "Unsolicited Bulk Marketing"?)

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:41 PM by sandi

Forgive me Fudo for granting little credence, or importance, to somebody hiding behind a pseudonym, with no home page or other link to show who you are.

As for "errors in [my] post", would you like to share what you think they are, or are you expecting me to be a mindreader?

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:54 AM by fudo

Google me and e360, and see what you find. As for errors, don't you bother to read comments? Mine and Rob Hallston's, if you can't find them yourself.

{{Following added by moderator}}

"E-mail marketing firm e360 has filed charges against members of online discussion forum Nanae for defamation of character and tortious interference.

Dave Linhardt, e360 CEO, who also sued spam-filtering firm Spamhaus and won last September, filed the complaint in an Illinois federal court March 7.

He claims that defendants Mark James Ferguson, Susan Wilson, Kelly Chien, Tim Skivirin, Unknown person A.K.A. Fudo and Unknown person A.K.A. Morley Dotes  has referred to e360 as a “spammer” and that mambers of the forum have tried to interfere in its relationship with Time Warner, e360’s bandwidth provider.

“What we’re trying to do with this new suit is to get to the truth of what’s behind these Internet forums,” he said. “They incorrectly have been calling us ‘spammers’ on their site. Also, they have been signing up for our e-mail newsletters and then collecting, like, 20 over a few weeks, then marking them all as spam in the same day, interfering with our relationship with our ISP.”"

http://www.dmnews.com/cms/dm-news/e-mail-marketing/40442.html

Activity Date: 8/30/2007 Participant: E360 INSIGHT
VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL W/LEAVE TO REFILE-ALLOWED
Judge: QUINN, THOMAS P.
http://www.spamsuite.com/node/117

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:59 PM by Venkat

Strange to see people so up in arms about commentary to this decision.

I count that up to Spamhaus actually having to confront the fact that it will have to deal with US laws (whether they be favorable or unfavorable).  (I've had personal dealings as a lawyer with Spamhaus and they were lame to deal with.  I'm not surprised someone decided to just hammer down and file a lawsuit against them.)

In fact, they would have fared better under the US laws than foreign laws but now they look like scofflaws.  I wonder if someone will consider suing them in Europe?

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:17 PM by sandi

People support Spamhaus and hate spammers, and reality is that hearts are overruling heads when people talk about this case, and have done right from the start.

Everybody hates spammers - *I* hate spammers (as anybody who has corresponded with me will attest) and I support Spamhaus, using and recommending the zen.spamhaus.org service when it is appropriate to the particular client.

*But*, that does not mean that I am going to stick my head in the sand about the realities of this whole sorry tale.

Spamhaus was WRONG to thumb their noses at the US legal system.

I say it again - the only *real* win in this case is the removal of the injunction.  The decision to investigate further the monetary award is fair and reasonable, as was the decision to uphold the default judgment.  

Only time will tell what the final monetary award against Spamhaus will be.  And only time will tell what effect these proceeding will have on future lawsuits.

What Spamhaus *should* have done is stand up to e360.  It's ironic to think that Spamhaus could have found themselves protected just like Kaspersky were... but they chose not to avail themselves of defences available to them and now they have to live with the consequences.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 17, 2007 5:04 AM by Rob Hallston

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> What Spamhaus *should* have done is stand up to e360.  

And every spammer who decides to sue in their local courts all over the world, USA, China, Russia, India, Nigeria? Spamhaus are British, they only need to defend lawsuits in Britain NOWHERE ELSE!

> It's ironic to think that Spamhaus could have found themselves

> protected just like Kaspersky were... but they chose not to avail

> themselves of defences available to them

No. This case was very different from Kaspersky, read the court docs properly. The Kaspersky defense count not have been used in this case.

> and now they have to live with the consequences.

WHAT CONSEQUENCES? Go on, list the consequenses for British-based Spamhaus (just remember where Britain is and that its not the 51st US state). Do you think they actually need to pay a dime on a US default order? Of course not! They have NO CONSEQUENSES AT ALL. The only one with consequenses is the spammer left holding the legal bill.

# re: Spamhaus v e360: Spamhaus loses

Monday, September 17, 2007 9:01 AM by sandi

@Rob Hallston

>> themselves of defences available to them

>No. This case was very different from Kaspersky, read the court docs properly. The Kaspersky defense count not have been used in this case.

In the above you are wrong.  Spamhaus could have argued for the same statutory protection granted to Kaspersky, said statutory protection *not* being restricted to antivirus/antimalware products.  

The statute in question, 47 USC 230(c)(2), is a statute designed to protect **online filtering judgments**.  

1) Spamhaus qualifies as an interactive computer service provider (specifically, as an access software provider).

2) A vendor qualifies for protection so long as it subjectively considers the filtered content (in this case spam) to be objectionable - and therein lies the key ... what is "objectionable".

3) The statute has been applied to search engine filtering - it is a small step to apply it to spam filtering.

I suggest you go and read the decision for yourself.  The same assessment has been made by lawyers of much experience in this field.

claranet.scu.edu/.../zangokaspersky230ruling.pdf is the link to the decision.

>> and now they have to live with the consequences.

>WHAT CONSEQUENCES? Go on, list the consequenses for British-based Spamhaus (just remember where Britain is and that its not the 51st US state). Do you think they actually need to pay a dime on a US default order? Of course not! They have NO CONSEQUENSES AT ALL. The only one with consequenses is the spammer left holding the legal bill.

Yeah yeah yeah... I believe it was just that type of thumb the nose attitude that got Spamhaus into such trouble in the first place.. didn't you learn *anything* from that?

I ask you.. why are Spamhaus so quiet about this judgment if they have nothing to be afraid of? Why do I see comments in various forums where people say "shhh, such n such of Spamhaus has said to say nothing about the lawsuit so that they are not prejudiced and so that e360 won't get any hints about what to do next"... and why do I see statements that "such and such of Spamhaus have been advised by their lawyers not to comment"... uh, yeah, that's behaviour consistent with an honestly held belief that being in the UK is some sort of impenetrable protection?...NOT.