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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://msmvps.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Chris Lanier : DIRECTV/Dish, Home Server</title><link>http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/DIRECTV_2F00_Dish/Home+Server/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: DIRECTV/Dish, Home Server</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Going Beyond The Enthusiast Market</title><link>http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2009/08/22/1717522.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:59:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">d67277c4-116b-43f1-b688-e9ef184ea916:1717522</guid><dc:creator>chrisl</dc:creator><slash:comments>14</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=1717522</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2009/08/22/1717522.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Charlie Owen, a former Media Center team member wrote a post this
week about Media Center expanding its marketplace, specifically &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://blog.retrosight.com/TwitterQCanWindowsMediaCenterGoBeyondTheEnthusiastMarket.aspx"&gt;&lt;span&gt;going from
the current enthusiast market to a more mainstream market&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Charlie analysis comes to the pretty simple
answer of &lt;i&gt;&amp;ldquo;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;It&amp;#39;s
possible, but highly unlikely at this point.&amp;rdquo;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;I had previously come to this conclusion, but to me
the real question is &amp;ldquo;&lt;/span&gt;will Microsoft attempt to develop for the
enthusiast market?&amp;rdquo;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Lucky for me,
Charlie replied to my comment with exactly what I was expecting&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in;"&gt;Charlie: &lt;i&gt;&amp;ldquo;No. That&amp;#39;s because they have never done so. The enthusiast market is
always a subset of the overall market any product targets. Put another way:
Where the goal is making a profit you wouldn&amp;#39;t sacrifice a broad market
opportunity of 100 for the narrow enthusiast market of 10. Making a
Microsoft-sized profit is different than making a profit if you were a much
smaller company.&amp;rdquo;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In other words the future for Media Center is one or two
options.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Option 1: Microsoft stops
development of Media Center (very unlikely).&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Option 2:
Microsoft transitions Media Center to a market which has the possibility to
create a &amp;ldquo;Microsoft-sized profit.&amp;rdquo; (Hint: TV on your PC)&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2009/01/14/1661776.aspx"&gt;Re-quoting
myself&lt;/a&gt; from early this year, the days of Media Center being billed as the
do-it-all center of your home are over.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;My opinion continues to be that Microsoft will focus more
and more on the &lt;a href="http://www.msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2009/05/29/1693398.aspx"&gt;Xbox
360 as the center of the home&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The
benefits of the Xbox 360 over Media Center are almost endless from a business
perspective.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The massive amount of end
users (an unquestionable 30 million, with 20 million of them being Xbox Live
subscribers) means content providers are going to flock to the platform. &lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Microsoft can sit back and rake in yearly
recurring revenue from these 20 million Xbox Live subscribers along with the
massive amounts of licensing accessories and the Xbox 360 brand.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Media Center on the other hard makes
Microsoft absolutely no money as it is a part of the standard Windows SKU (eg.
No one except members of The Green Button ever purchased a Windows license just
to get Media Center).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;There are still people holding out hope for Media Center to
become a platform for the home.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The
recent announcement that &lt;a href="http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/08/19/media-center-dish-network-tuner-is-on-hold-indefinitely/"&gt;Dish
Network will not be shipping&lt;/a&gt; their tuner anytime soon &lt;a href="http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/67903/382856.aspx#382856"&gt;didn&amp;rsquo;t
surprise me one bit&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Why would Dish
bother to continue with Media Center when it is pretty clear Microsoft is
moving away from the consumer they thought they were buying into?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This same concept is at play with Media
Center Extender&amp;rsquo;s.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There is &lt;a href="http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/67188/381757.aspx#381757"&gt;still some
hope that Toshiba&lt;/a&gt; will be releasing an Extender, but I think the concept
that most people miss is that whether it gets released or not means little in
the grand scheme of things.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If
Microsoft&amp;rsquo;s heart is not in providing a platform for the home, you can really
know going into your purchase that you&amp;rsquo;re going to end up disappointed at some
point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The biggest question mark might be Windows Home Server.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For years I have said the concept of
including Media Center in Windows Home Server is &lt;a href="http://www.msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2009/05/24/1693056.aspx"&gt;pointless
and does nothing to expand the current market&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If HP ditched Extender&amp;rsquo;s and CableCARD due to
poor sales, why exactly would they have the least bit of interest in shipping a
Media Center+Home Server box?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If OEMs
are not interested, why is Microsoft going to develop it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Most people underestimate the OEMs when talking about Media
Center.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;OEMs are really responsible for
Media Center from start to finish from a customer&amp;rsquo;s perspective.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;HP and Dell have shown they have little
interest in Media Center by either discounting CableCARD PCs, killing off
Extender&amp;rsquo;s, and even in HPs case killing off their HT-styled z-series Media
Centers.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/08/19/media-center-dish-network-tuner-is-on-hold-indefinitely/"&gt;Dish
Network&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://msmvps.com/controlpanel/blogs/chrisl/archive/2008/12/13/1656698.aspx"&gt;DIRECTV&lt;/a&gt;
are just as important and have shown that they are increasing less interested.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Microsoft&amp;rsquo;s latest attempt to make a market for Media Center
has been the custom integrator channel, and some have &lt;a href="http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/08/10/cedia-2009-windows-media-center-predictions/"&gt;big
expectations&lt;/a&gt; for what Microsoft might have in store.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sadly most of the possibilities have already
been proven false, and based on what I&amp;rsquo;ve been told from those in the industry
interest in Media Center in the custom channel is dropping fast.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I&amp;rsquo;m interest to see how much longer Microsoft
attempts to push into the market.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;With
their partner OEMs such as HP, Linksys, Dish Network pulling out these leaves
the custom OEMs like Niveus Media and Life|ware to pick up the slack.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Unfortunately there is only such much they
can do.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If Microsoft&amp;rsquo;s commitment in the
channel falls it might be the end of the custom market experiment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So once again the question is what&amp;rsquo;s next.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Recently there have been some &lt;a href="http://thegreenbutton.com/blogs/digitaldreams/default.aspx"&gt;great new
bloggers&lt;/a&gt; show up in the Media Center community with some great
suggestions.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I&amp;rsquo;m done with
suggestions.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Microsoft knows exactly
what we want, let&amp;rsquo;s not pretend they don&amp;rsquo;t.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;The issue is it is no longer in their best interest to pursue most of
it.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;What&amp;rsquo;s next?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Who knows.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;All I want at this point is for Microsoft to publicly provide a roadmap
for what Media Center is to become.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://msmvps.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=1717522" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Media+Center/default.aspx">Media Center</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Digital+Media/default.aspx">Digital Media</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Xbox/default.aspx">Xbox</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Windows+Vista/default.aspx">Windows Vista</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Extenders/default.aspx">Extenders</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Media+Center+PC_2700_s/default.aspx">Media Center PC's</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/CableCARD/default.aspx">CableCARD</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Home+Server/default.aspx">Home Server</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/DIRECTV_2F00_Dish/default.aspx">DIRECTV/Dish</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Windows+7/default.aspx">Windows 7</category></item><item><title>Can DISH Network One-Up DIRECTV?</title><link>http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2008/12/18/1657188.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:16:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">d67277c4-116b-43f1-b688-e9ef184ea916:1657188</guid><dc:creator>chrisl</dc:creator><slash:comments>16</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=1657188</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2008/12/18/1657188.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Now that we are fairly certain that &lt;a href="http://www.msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2008/12/13/1656698.aspx"&gt;DIRECTV
will not ship with Windows 7&lt;/a&gt;, the big question remains to be will DISH
Network?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Around the time the TV Pack
started beta testing, &lt;a href="http://www.msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2008/04/06/1575956.aspx"&gt;I did
hear that some testers had been contacted about testing DISH Network Tuners&lt;/a&gt;,
and that talk has popped back up in the past few weeks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Going under my theory that Microsoft has all the plumbing
in-place for DIRECTV support, there is no reason that same framework can&amp;rsquo;t work
for DISH Network.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If DISH Network wants
to make a Media Center tuner, they can using this framework, and they might have already.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Looking around, their are some other hints about the possible DISH Network Tuner.&amp;nbsp; Ben&amp;#39;s photos of the eHome Lab show Windows 7
running with a branded Start Menu saying &amp;ldquo;TV with DISH Network.&amp;rdquo;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In addition to that, several people, &lt;a href="http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-11/dish-network-streams-towards-microsoft/"&gt;including
Dave Zatz&lt;/a&gt; have brought up the possibility that the unmarked white box in the photo below is a DISH Network tuner.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Of course, the tuner being in Microsoft&amp;rsquo;s Lab means nothing as Microsoft as
evidenced by the suspended DIRECTV HDPC-20 tuners also present.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="text-align:center;"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.msmvps.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.01.65.71.87/dish33.jpg" alt="image" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style="text-align:center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;(Photos via &lt;a href="http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/11/19/the-media-center-directv-hdpc-20-caught-in-action/"&gt;Engadget
HD&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Back to the framework which I believe is complete to ship
with Windows 7, here is something Microsoft showed at WinHEC.&amp;nbsp; That is premium Pay-Per-View TV being ordered via Media
Center.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We know that&amp;rsquo;s not from
a CableCARD as tru2way tuners don&amp;rsquo;t have any specs from CableLabs yet.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It chould be DIRECTV, but considering that &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dish_Network_channels#Channels_500-699"&gt;Channel
510 happens to fall in the range of DISH Networks PPV&lt;/a&gt; and most PPV content
on DISH Network happens to be $4.99, there is a good possibility you are looking
at working PPV via a native DISH Network Tuner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="text-align:center;"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.msmvps.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.01.65.71.84/PPV.jpg" alt="image" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So, should you jump and switch to DISH Network because of
this?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I wouldn&amp;rsquo;t suggest it.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Should you keep checking back to see when we
get more details?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I&amp;#39;d suggest it.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I&amp;rsquo;m a DIRECTV customer, so even if this DISH
Network tuner is real I likely wouldn&amp;rsquo;t be testing it.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That said, I&amp;rsquo;m looking forward to see what
happen with this. &lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Given DISH Networks &lt;a href="http://www.dishnetwork.com/turbohd/default.aspx"&gt;TurboHD package for
$24.99&lt;/a&gt; has every channel I&amp;rsquo;d ever watch, and the fact I can get ATSC HD
using an antenna in Media Center saving me from having to add HD Locals to the
package, DISH Network does look like a good deal if I could get a native Media
Center tuner.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://msmvps.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=1657188" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Media+Center/default.aspx">Media Center</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Digital+Media/default.aspx">Digital Media</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Home+Server/default.aspx">Home Server</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/DIRECTV_2F00_Dish/default.aspx">DIRECTV/Dish</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/TV+Tuners/default.aspx">TV Tuners</category><category domain="http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/tags/Windows+7/default.aspx">Windows 7</category></item></channel></rss>