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Dell’s CableCARD Re-entry Is Huge In the Grand Scheme

There is no doubt that CableCARD has been a rollercoaster for most OEM’s.  HP has picked up and dropped support more times than I can count, Dell (until today) had appeared to be out of the market altogether after taking so long to get in the game, and other OEMs cater to higher end and specialty customers.

Today, Dell came back with a splash introducing that all XPS 420’s would have CableCARD as an option.  Now only that, but the performance-to-price ratio is finally right where it should be.  A Quad-Core Q6600, 3GB of RAM, and ATI HD 2400 for under $900 is fantastic, and adding low priced ATI Digital Cable Tuners at just $180/piece wraps up the whole package.

This is just the start of what Dell has done with this offer though.  For anyone who has tried to configure an XPS 420 today, you should notice that “Windows Vista (Home Premium/Ultimate) with Digital Cable Support” is the only option.  In the grand scheme of things, this is huge.

Dell is shipping all XPS 420’s with the OCUR BIOS and PID/COA (Product Key).  This means that even if you don’t pick up a Digital Cable Tuner at checkout, you can buy one at a later date and your system is ready for it.  This is huge, and effectively starts to take the CableLabs approved factor out of the picture.  It doesn’t mean you will be able to build your own machine, but anyone who purchases an XPS 420 has the ability to get CableCARD in Windows Vista.

Shipping all systems with the OCUR BIOS and PID/COA was specifically negotiated with Microsoft and truly is needed for CableCARD (and Vista Media Center) to take a step forward.  Dell is currently not shipping standalone Digital Cable Tuners.  As we all know, the limitations brought on by CableLabs and Microsoft don’t make it the best candidate for a shelf at Best Buy, so that will be interesting for Dell to target in the future and is key to the overall plan in my opinion.

As the option is standard now on the XPS 420 line, I expect Dell’s support to have significantly more troubleshooting and support information available to them.  One of the common problems with top tier OEMs has been calling for support and being told they never sold you a PC with such a tuner.  Standardizing them across the line should help significantly with that.

Dell took a huge step forward today and is pulling CableCARD and Vista Media Center behind them.

Related:

Dell XPS 420 CableCARD Q&A

Vista CableCARD FAQ

Published Fri, Dec 7 2007 15:53 by chrisl

Comments

# re: Dell’s CableCARD Re-entry Is Huge In the Grand Scheme

Chris,

I have been put off a PC option until now because of the $300/Digital Cable Tuner price tag. Now that Dell are at a more reasonable $180 I might be ready to bite. I would be replacing my trusty Series 3 TiVo with a Media Center Extender (when they are available) and running the XPS 420 PC in my home office with the tuners. I can't find anything on the Dell configurator to indicate if the tuners are internal (my preference) or the standalone external versions.

Any idea?

Friday, December 07, 2007 6:12 PM by Iain Gilbert

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Incredible. Finally, CC equipped systems are at a real entry level price rather then all this $1500+ "entry level" crap from other OEMs.

Looks like I'll be getting a Dell sometime after the holidays. :)

Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:11 AM by Crim

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2008 is shaping up to be a big year for DCTs.  You also forgot to mention the best thing about Dell: coupons and sales! Ebay and some patience will drop the price down even further.  The $180 price tag is fantastic for the DCT.  Just wish my computer monitor supported HDCP. They also need to include 8800 GTs as an option too.

Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:05 AM by Kevin

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So if EVERY 420 is sold with CC Bios does that mean that that I could buy a dell mainboard and build my own system?  Currently I can buy 420 mainboards on ebay, and while I'm not entirely sure as to the propriatary nature of dells mainboards, I know they've been making moves towards standardization.  

Does us get us that much closer to homebrew CC????

Aaron

Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:50 AM by Aaron

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Dell COUPON CODE 7D425SNMDPQF3N

Get up to $200 dollars off!!!! I tried it, it works!

Aaron

Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:00 AM by Aaron

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I'll count myself in the patient majority that are waiting for the hacked/Bootstrapped OEM installation disk from these systems to show up online, thus enabling anyone with a digital tuner to build their own digital cable ready system, without having to kow-tow to the whims of cablelabs...

Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:19 PM by Gabe

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Aaron: Current boards on eBay are not going to have the OCUR BIOS.  There are several things that fall into the picture buying them aftermarket through somewhere like eBay.  First, you would still need the OCUR COA which is a separate product key from Windows.  If the seller doesn't include this, the overall solution is still pointless.  So, this might help get them out there but it really doesn't get you very close.  With that said, I think it would still be more cost efficient just to buy the full setup from Dell.  For $900 starting price, you really are not going to do much better unless that eBay seller is only selling the motherboard for $50.

Gabe: The install disk does nothing.  It isn't a special version of Windows.  The BIOS and the second COA are what is needed.  Those have nothing to do with the install process.

Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:28 PM by chrisl

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Chris: I agree, I don't get into building systems, but I know that that's a big gripping point for a lot of poeple.  I never really understood building a system, but a lot of people prefer it even though often times you pay a premium.

Saturday, December 08, 2007 1:56 PM by aaron

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Building a system has a ton of advantages, and that generally is much lower price, but for the price and features that the XPS 420 has, it is starting to close the gap for me personally.

Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:08 PM by chrisl

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FYI, I did a quick calculation on the price difference between the XPS 420 and a self build.   All prices are rounded via Newegg.

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 - $270

Intel Motherboard (used lower end Intel for reference price) - $120

Vista Home Premium OEM - $110

3GB of DDR2 667 - $80

Radeon HD 2400 PRO - $50

320 HDD - $80

DVD Burner - $35

Random case - $100

Total: $845

Dell price for same specs is $899 and the ability to get CableCARD.  Mix in employee discounts or education discounts (10%) that a ton of buyers have, you really can't go wrong with the XPS 420.

Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:07 PM by chrisl

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Well, I guess the obvious question now is... will I be able to upgrade one of these to BOCR or whatever when that evolves?  I don't see spending thousands on a PC that I'll have to toss on the scrap heap once a solution to SDV finally appears...

Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:17 PM by Glenn

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While there is no official answer, I wouldn't imagine BOCRs not working on current systems.  Now, they will require you to purchase new physical tuners, but I see no reason why CableLabs or Microsoft would limit these to brand new OEM PC's.  The concept of the BIOS and COA are not likely to change.

Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:28 PM by chrisl

# re: Dell’s CableCARD Re-entry Is Huge In the Grand Scheme

i would get the better audio card  - for digital audio out

Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:27 PM by cj

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hi chris

(cross-posted on your blog)

i have been a long time reader of your mce blog, along with thomas hawk's.

i currently have a custom-built htpc with mce2k5 and lots of add ons (commercial skip,

webguide, my movies, mce mame, tvtorrent rss, etc), and now use hdhomerun for qam cable

in mce- works well. i also have a cablecard in another room, right into my hdtv, along

with a xbox360 extender/tversity .

i have been thinking of upgrading my mce box, and besides the form factor of the xps420,

i love everything about it (obviously dual cablecard).

my concerns/questions:

-hdcp required? i have old NEC VM5, should have DVI-D HDCP, but not 100% if it will.

-time warner cable nyc support?

this is my biggest concern - spending $1300 for a new over-glamorized cablebox,

and the cable company stinks. i have spent years of my life trying to get time warner to

service its own products - to no avail. whenever i have an issue with the cablecard in

my hdtv, it takes 3-4 visits, a complaint with the city, a foreman visit, and 5-6 hours

of my time to resolve it. for the past 2 years they have marketed cablecard in my area - yes no one supports it.

for example, after 1 year of working, premium channels stopped. 3 techs came out- 3- and each arrived and said "Cablecard - i don't have one with me." Finally- when they did get it working - the fore(wo)man said - "just spend the $10 a month and

get the hd box". Similar to the comments in this link - www.anandtech.com/.../showdoc.aspx . What they don't realized is hd-dvr (plus hbo) x 2 VS cc x 2 is $300+ a year.

Chris - are you concerned about this??

-Also - was anyone able to get $200 off (7D425SNMDPQF3N) and the $200 gift card?

Monday, December 10, 2007 10:45 AM by cj

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I wonder if the XPS 420 will ever allow 4 CableCard tuners?

Monday, December 10, 2007 11:06 AM by Scott

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Scott: It would work with four tuners, but it is not supported by Microsoft or Dell and would require a hack to have it work.  I'll have more on this later today.

cj: You need HDCP if you are going through a digital connection.  I'll try and address the rest of your questions in another post.

Monday, December 10, 2007 2:10 PM by chrisl

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That would be great.  I want to use 4 media extenders along with the 4 digital tuners.

Monday, December 10, 2007 3:47 PM by scott

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thanks, chris

Monday, December 10, 2007 3:48 PM by cj

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But they don't have HDMI out as an option - so how on earth is one supposed to watch HDCP content?  Over DVI - you have to be joking i want HDMI audio.

www.dell.com/.../learnmore.aspx

Monday, December 10, 2007 9:20 PM by Alex

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get the ati 2600 with hdmi

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:17 AM by cj

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Cable card is only for legacy Cable companies, correct? So, no Dish, DTV, FIOS, Uverse,etc..

This sux for me, but I guess it's great for you guys who are with a legacy cable company

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:19 AM by TV

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Alex: I think there might be an adapter to help with that, however HDMI audio is nothing more than SPDIF.  If you have DVI, just run SPDIF alongside and you have the exact same thing that HDMI+audio offers.

TV: Yes, CableCARDs work with Cable TV in the US only.  FIOS, for all reasons here, is cable (it's QAM, works the same as Cable) so it can use CableCARD's without an issue.

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:37 AM by chrisl

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Here's me hiding in shame assuming we were only talking about the US Market.

Thanks for that. Where is "here" for you? Sorry, pretty new to this blog.

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:43 AM by TV

# re: Dell’s CableCARD Re-entry Is Huge In the Grand Scheme

By "here" I meant for the sake of this conversation FIOS is cable and thus works with CableCARDs.  There are technically details that don't really apply that I'm skipping over.

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:31 PM by chrisl

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FYI

for those with FIOS, there is hack that might work- so you dont need a cablecard, basically passing through your STB.

here

www.hometoys.com/article.php4

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:01 PM by cj

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ChrisL: Yes i know but i want the convienience of running one cable <grin>

the bigger issue for me is the dual format player HP do (blu-ray and HD-DVD) i think this will cause me to go for the HP.

(oh and it is not possible to get the dell with ATI 2600 as someone suggest - i asked dell)

PS i actually wanted the alienware H18 - but it is sooo overpriced has too many thing i don't want and not enough of things i do want (dual format)

Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:59 AM by Alex

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though to vlaidate - Dell support new what i was talking about and was super helpfull.  They just couldn't sell me what i wanted :-)

Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:01 AM by alex

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alex:

128MB ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO [subtract $100]

256MB Radeon ATI HD 2600 XT [Included in Price]

256MB nVidia GeForce 8600 GTS [add $100 or $3/month1]

512MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT [add $150 or $5/month1]

Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:10 AM by cj

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Here's my review of the XPS 420 so far:

blogs.technet.com/.../dell-xps-420-first-impressions.aspx

Enjoy,

Keith

Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:32 AM by Keith Combs